tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post1728940826150028763..comments2024-03-07T00:40:45.585-08:00Comments on Trout Clan Campfire: WHAT ARE THEIR REAL INTENTIONS/AGENDAmurph & freeacrehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10278932450332333778noreply@blogger.comBlogger110125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-56582251792947631992012-09-22T11:31:49.927-07:002012-09-22T11:31:49.927-07:00Oh, Boy! I think I got rid of the annoying word ve...Oh, Boy! I think I got rid of the annoying word verification!!freeacrenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-53005367192506833502012-09-22T11:19:24.919-07:002012-09-22T11:19:24.919-07:00Wow, Hot Springs, that was a monster article - &qu... Wow, Hot Springs, that was a monster article - "Why We Can't Save the World" on Caroline Baker's site. Damn. Combined with the renewed memories of how long we have been at the compfire, the newly grokked Agenda 21 pervasiveness, the momentum of the assorted catastrophies at hand like a million Titanics headed for the ice wall, Pollac seems to have nailed the angst among us. His ending sums it up and makes it easier to live with:<br /><br />"... Until the old systems die, we won’t be able to see what, and how much, really needs to be done anyway, and the remains of the old systems will struggle defiantly to resist new experiments (this is already happening). We can do some advance learning, and practice dealing with crises in a personal, proactive way (i.e. rather than expecting the government to fix each crisis as it occurs, and to tell us what to do).<br /><br />We can get to know our neighbours, including the ones who are annoying and ignorant and unable to self-manage, and what we can do with and for each other, and lay the foundations for true, local communities. We can get to know the place we live, the organic process of which we are most immediately a part, and what else lives and can naturally thrive there. We can experiment with new models and constructs of how to live sustainably and joyfully, provided we recognize they are just experiments and are unlikely to flourish until the old systems crumble.<br /><br />Much of this early preparation can be easy, and fun, if we choose to make space for it. And this still leaves us time, time saved by not trying to hold on desperately to our dying civilization culture, to just be, to play, to do things that are easy and fun, to live each moment of this amazing life at this amazing time to the fullest. To free ourselves, and be wild again, welcomed back into the organic process that is all-life-on-Earth, where we always belonged."<br /><br />freeacrenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-11573304359151820522012-09-22T09:08:32.643-07:002012-09-22T09:08:32.643-07:00I have a different take on "free" will, ... I have a different take on "free" will, since I am living in a female body. I remember (vividly)taking a shower after my son was born. He was in a basket next to the shower because I was afraid to take my eyes off him. He made a little cry, and suddenly milk shot out of my breasts all the way to the shower curtain! I had no control - baby cries, mother lactates. Period. Where was my free will then?<br /> We can only perceive a fraction of reality due to the limitation of our eyes, our senses, and our knowledge base. So, ultimately, our choices are limited to what we can perceive and also what instincts are compelling to us. We are both mind and body. I don't regret that the mind's "will" is curtailed by our body. I figure the body has a sophisticated will as well, and that we use it for guidance to being human. <br /> We are having a human experience, and that's okay. I guess that's why we are here. The fact that we are living in such fascinating times is just "gravy" I reckon.freeacrenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-9392021229484012342012-09-22T08:07:10.158-07:002012-09-22T08:07:10.158-07:00einstein also said god doesn’t throw dice. to whi...einstein also said god doesn’t throw dice. to which the quantum theorists merely chuckle and where the absolute, free will, and cause and effect can all get a bad rap. <br /><br />the free will argument is like stickin a rabbit hole into a worm hole and shooting it out of a time machine. does the billard ball annilate itself or carrom off itself into its own future? i really dunno. maybe its got something to do with square circles.<br /><br />actually, i mostly agree with you on the mind wiz. its just that i don't limit resolution (or cause for that matter) to the mind which is obviously capable of self-destruction when left to its own devices. especially when convinced it is acting alone... p<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-67524117245893231982012-09-22T00:49:20.353-07:002012-09-22T00:49:20.353-07:00Speaking of Blast From the Past, Murph says this i...Speaking of Blast From the Past, Murph says this in Cyclone post, 12-7-06 " Making absolute statement about what is, what could be, what has come before is largely an exercise in futility "<br /><br />I would put it a little differantly but I think its similiar, you cannot make absolute statements/observations about an infinite system, which is one of the possibililites for our cosmos.<br /><br />Sure alot of things written by you Murph ( and other contributors of course ) since what time, Cyclone 2005? So maybe a new post idea Murph, is one where you look back on what this journey of shared ideas has taught you, what it has meant, what changes it may have wrought in your life, and in your thinking. You surely have a knack for laying down an excellent missive :-) <br />Hotspringswizardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07215356654367335612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-28792714190794366602012-09-21T20:06:13.338-07:002012-09-21T20:06:13.338-07:00Whitewater,
Great. If you come by site #15, that&...Whitewater,<br /><br />Great. If you come by site #15, that's where I will be. Be nice to meet you. There are some interesting things to look at too.<br /><br />BexarAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-86718064857050491402012-09-21T17:20:29.411-07:002012-09-21T17:20:29.411-07:00Thanks for your thoughts there Eagle :-)
I just ...Thanks for your thoughts there Eagle :-) <br /><br />I just read this article posted at Carolyn Baker's site. Its excellent in its appraisal of our situation:<br /><br />http://carolynbaker.net/2012/09/21/why-we-cannot-save-the-world-by-dave-pollard/<br /><br />Why We Cannot Save The World<br /><br />....The challenges we face are overwhelming, and they’ve been accelerating in size and complexity for millennia. The more we learn about them, and their interrelatedness, the more daunting they become....<br /><br />....We have created a problem that has no solution, and it’s the same one, as Jared Diamond and Ronald Wright have explained, that led to the downfall of past civilizations. Except this time the problem is global, and we’re all going down....<br /><br />And the things discussed in this article is why I too wrote this at my Blog site:<br /><br />....Humanity has created an ever growing tempest of myriad converging difficulties and realistically unsolvable complexities. The architecture of the human mind and its manner of functioning meant we would always go down this increasingly troubled path as a species....<br /><br />Also from the article is this from Einstien, something that relates to my discussed viewpoints on the subject of free will:<br /><br />....Einstein asserted: “I believe with Schopenhauer: We can do what we wish, but we can only wish what we must. Practically, I am, nevertheless, compelled to act as if freedom of the will existed. If I wish to live in a civilized community, I must act as if man is a responsible being.” ....<br /><br />Notice Einstein's words, " act as if " in reference to the existance of free will. This is akin to Murphs thoughts that he " prefers " to beleive that humans have free will. So the possible absence of human free will is recognized, but in the sense of practicality, its much easier to address what we perceive ( even if it is an illusion ) in the world under the premis that we do have free will. It is a quandry that cannot be escaped. <br /><br />But if free will is after all an illusion, still, we will play our part in the play of cause and effect, and the unkown quality of what lies before us is still a mystery to behold, and my awe of it all is no less :-)Hotspringswizardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07215356654367335612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-44741145026783515352012-09-21T16:24:15.493-07:002012-09-21T16:24:15.493-07:00Bexar,
I think the fam and I are gonna head over ...Bexar,<br /><br />I think the fam and I are gonna head over this weekend for a look at some of the properties on the map you linked.<br /><br />Looking forward to it.whitewater fragglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03746652883269048971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-51640475173306845532012-09-21T13:38:32.451-07:002012-09-21T13:38:32.451-07:00wiz... last entry was 10/25/07. true to form murp...wiz... last entry was 10/25/07. true to form murph & fa not only assured it's (cyclone's real deal blog which was the genesis of this campfire) legacy in perpituity but when this campfire was lit for the first time, it was lit in the spirit of that legacy. and they've never failed to add a log to the fire for all of us to chew on. the way i see it, i'd call their efforts over these last 6 years, stewardship... p. aka, eagle. <br /><br />but only since condor flew in a couple days ago. except, i think condor is.... well, i'll let you guys guess who. like i siad above, i think he's been here far longer than eagle. i mean, p. i mean, me!<br /><br />damn, now i'm confused!! anyway, here's my bookmark to the last cyclone's real deal blog post which was done by murph... http://cyclone696.blogspot.com/<br /><br />there's more wiz... <br /><br />"When the Condor of the south flies with the Eagle of the north, a new day for Earth will awaken!" <br /><br />Inca prophecy shared by many indigenous tribes of both north and south.<br /><br />http://home.earthlink.net/~stalkingbuffalowoman/id14.html <br /><br /><br />thus the nature of my comment back to condor... "the condor feel what the eagle can only see. and often, can't see. thats why we need each other!"<br /><br />i chose to sign it eagle cuz thats what was left to claim. the condor and the eagle. cuz you see, to me, the north is metaphoric for inspiration and the mind while the south is metaphoric for gut intuition and the emotions. aka, upper chakras, lower chakras. with heart in the middle as the balance center. <br /><br />thus the nature of my comment to you... <br /><br />"...from where i'm seeing it, yer describing the mind from where the heart would be. and yeah, can't argue that the shark has one. but then, if you cut it out of him what you get ain't what i'm talkin bout."<br /><br />and....<br /><br /><br />"...the brain is akin to a computer on chemicals. what is it that pushes its buttons to produce all those various behavior types?"<br /><br />eagle out. for now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-40277265163538132412012-09-21T03:28:15.744-07:002012-09-21T03:28:15.744-07:00as to condor, ain't my place to speak for but ...as to condor, ain't my place to speak for but i will say this... my suspicians as to who it was at the time i responded had everthing to do with what i said. and, if so, that ole bird was roostin here before eagle flew in and a large part of why the eagle is still here.<br /><br />which could be just another way of sayin now ya know who to blame it all on. : - ) ... pAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-40768471927729549202012-09-21T01:01:03.467-07:002012-09-21T01:01:03.467-07:00rp re who buys this sort of stuff:
With a cover p...rp re who buys this sort of stuff:<br /><br />With a cover price of $270 it's safe to say it's not aimed at the little people; authors CV's read like Majestic 12 job apps ;¬) Gd. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-16590307795569561972012-09-21T00:29:47.786-07:002012-09-21T00:29:47.786-07:00Yeah Freeacre, regarding P's link I was thinki...Yeah Freeacre, regarding P's link I was thinking, like you guys have been around, FOREVER :-) That was a great post and great comments too. I was wondering, that seemed to be the last entry at Cyclone from the looks of it, so was that when the switch was made by you and Murph over to the Trout Clan Blog? Seems to me I remember you telling me about how you guys kinda took the thing over at some point. Hotspringswizardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07215356654367335612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-63401438368580487282012-09-21T00:21:05.183-07:002012-09-21T00:21:05.183-07:00Wow, p, that link to Cyclone's site was a real...Wow, p, that link to Cyclone's site was a real blast from the past. Christ! We were pretty much talking about the same stuff that we are now! And, it was 2006. Collapse of the economy, endless war, shun the fuckers, etc. Kinda depressing. I miss ras, Stoney, Eli, and Cyclone.<br /> If this shit doesn't pop by, say, March - I'm going on vacation. For, like, a year.freeacrenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-2696837513431592012-09-21T00:06:06.679-07:002012-09-21T00:06:06.679-07:00Oh, and I forgot to mention you can look for that ...Oh, and I forgot to mention you can look for that Iron Crows Doc most likely here. It will probably be the next one posted at the top, even though as of this evening I don't see it there yet. Since its showing currently on RT TV maybe thats why its not in the list yet. Here is the link:<br /><br />http://rt.com/programs/documentary/Hotspringswizardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07215356654367335612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-27165887420867470032012-09-21T00:00:01.775-07:002012-09-21T00:00:01.775-07:00Is Cedar one who has posted here before named Dave...Is Cedar one who has posted here before named Dave? If not, welcome to all of them. Hope their ok with sharing the talking stick with another one of our trusty council members, MF's Cricket :-)<br /><br />Bexar, I was going to mention that new info about the rats fed GMO corn who got tumors.<br /><br />I was watching a documentary at RT TV today called Iron Crows, which is about people in Bangladesh who make a living by salvaging half of the worlds retired large ships. They make 15 cents for an arduous and dangerous ten hour day. It is a real example of what will be happeing more and more in the austere world conditions to come, that being scavenging, salvage and recycling of all manner of materials created in a time when we had plenty of everything. <br /><br />The name Iron Crows is because there is a type of crow that lives in the area, and these exceptional scavenges themselves have taken to collecting iron wire scraps from around the ships to make their nest out of. Much of the work of taking apart these huge ships is done by what are termed gas cutters, who use acetylene torches.<br /><br />I can relate to these gas cutters as I was one back in the the late 70's, working at Keiser Steel in Fontana, Cal. I had the gravyard shift. We would go out to a huge scrap yard wearing our fire proof clothing, with a helmet and face mask on, thick gloves, and our four foot long cutting torch. We were assigned things to cut up, anything from 3 foot thick solid ingots of steel, to much bigger things like train box cars, huge water tanks, 20 foot tall slag buckets which weighed many tons, etc. <br /><br />Most of the time you worked on your own, and you also wore goggles with dark colored lenses to protect your eyes from the brightness of the area where the torch was cutting the steel. It was dangerours work because you were cutting at night, and with the dark goggles on you could not see much else than a small area around where your torch was cutting. You were cutting things that were extremely heavy because they were solid iron, and you had to do your best to calculate where things would fall. I came real close to getting crushed a number of times. <br /><br />I also wore a type of painters mask ( I had to buy myself ) that filtered fumes and vapors. For the most part, all of the rest of the workers wore nothing, and therefore breathed lots of pungent, orangish brown toxic plumes that emenated off of the torch cutting area. Even with the mask on I'm sure some of this foul unhealthy air got into my lungs.<br /><br />Now these guys in Bangledesh, they are dealing with iron structures that are monsterously huge in comparison to what I was cutting on, and the conditions they work in are horrific. Check out the video, its a real window into the very harsh world of these salvagers/recyclers who are referred to as Ship Breakers.<br /><br />On another subject Freeacre I saw that there is a fire buring up your way near Bend called the Pole Creek Fire. Probably to far away for you to see but the picture of it on the weather channnel looked like it was pretty big. <br /><br />Oh and RP, you think the human heart affects the activity in the brain? I would suggest its the other way around :-) Now on the other hand, if I had a heart attack, that would make me feel pretty down so maybe your on to something RP :-)Hotspringswizardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07215356654367335612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-21908851631818068742012-09-20T20:18:15.301-07:002012-09-20T20:18:15.301-07:00
Interesting information about GMO research showin...<br />Interesting information about GMO research showing what happens to rats fed the junk. Pictures tell a lot.<br /><br />http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/333136<br /><br />I hope all of you in California vote in favor of labeling what is in your food. We want to know too! You lead, we will follow.<br /><br />BexarAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-445951427655624152012-09-20T18:40:11.498-07:002012-09-20T18:40:11.498-07:00can't speak for cedar or condor but eagle flew...can't speak for cedar or condor but eagle flew in around dec 06. some christmas present eh? mighta been this one got his feathers ruffled... http://cyclone696.blogspot.com/2006_12_01_archive.html ...pAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-58078453091469782542012-09-20T12:59:23.804-07:002012-09-20T12:59:23.804-07:00SATS
West Nile Virus (read Polio) is making a re...SATS<br /><br />West Nile Virus (read Polio) is making a reappearance in the Balkans and USA.<br /><br />http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/20/us-balkans-westnile-idUSBRE88J0S720120920 <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-72244352091795436692012-09-20T11:09:33.388-07:002012-09-20T11:09:33.388-07:00SATS
Randy, You got a double whammy there. That s...SATS<br /><br />Randy, You got a double whammy there. That sick Dick crack had me rolling about laughing. Also “<br />Which of course would be -cool.” It remind me that years ago a mate left his cool box in my house so I made a sticker and put it on which said “ Human Head” and he used to walk around with it. He thought the funny looks he got was huge.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-62322935599189305362012-09-20T11:07:47.692-07:002012-09-20T11:07:47.692-07:00SATS
Randy, You got a double whammy there. That s...SATS<br /><br />Randy, You got a double whammy there. That sick Dick crack had me rolling about laughing. Also “<br />Which of course would be -cool.” It remind me that years ago a mate left his cool box in my house so I made a sticker and put it on which said “ Human Head” and he used to walk around with it. He thought the funny looks he got was huge.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-22208558141327672462012-09-20T10:38:34.633-07:002012-09-20T10:38:34.633-07:00I second that welcome. It would be interesting to...I second that welcome. It would be interesting to know how each of you found the campfire, and how long you've been reading the blog.<br /><br />While trying to dig up some more info on the Gordon Duff/US Navy/UFO story, I came across this curious item. Check out the price. Who buys this sort of stuff?<br /><br />http://www.amazon.com/An-Introduction-Planetary-Defense-Extra-Terrestrial/dp/1581124473rockpickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15705284555868707898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-16602173683060619562012-09-20T10:30:07.440-07:002012-09-20T10:30:07.440-07:00I think we need to acknowledge some new names at t...I think we need to acknowledge some new names at the Campfire - Cedar, Eagle, and Condor. Nice to hear from you. Plenty of room here at the council. Welcome.freeacrfenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-55816461321188055552012-09-20T08:51:15.925-07:002012-09-20T08:51:15.925-07:00Hey, here's something....
I've read a few...Hey, here's something....<br /><br />I've read a few crazy things about transplanted organsm -that people who've received transplanted organs, like the heart, started to behave or have some characteristics of the donor.<br /><br />Which of course would be -coool. <br /><br />And so, I was hoping that Dick Cheney, after receiving his FIRST heart, that he'd start behaving differently. Maybe donating all of his ill-gotten booty to Save The Children" or whatnot. But, nothing seemed to have changed, it seems. Either it's all a myth or a hopeful/wishfull thinking or<br /><br />the donor was a dick.<br /><br />-RandyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-79629904979565256412012-09-20T07:40:41.247-07:002012-09-20T07:40:41.247-07:00Hotsprings;
Where does heart fit into your equati...Hotsprings;<br /><br />Where does heart fit into your equation?<br /><br />According to researchers, the heart's electromagnetic signal dwarfs that of the brain.<br /><br />I don't believe 'the brain' and 'the mind' are interchangeable terms.rockpickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15705284555868707898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-75723279187392948822012-09-20T05:54:53.137-07:002012-09-20T05:54:53.137-07:00SATS
OK you got me guys. For the sake of being to...SATS<br /><br />OK you got me guys. For the sake of being totally boring (again) I am going to explain how simple the free will concept really is. God gave man(kind) free will so that he could choose to do either good or bad. It must be so because it says so in the Bible. If a man chooses to be a totally evil bastard, doing harm to the environment and to his fellows and taking away their freedoms, then that is a man exercising the free will that God has given him in order to sin. If on the other hand the man chooses a life of virtue, doing only good and ethical endeavours, then that is not him exercising his free will to do good. Instead that is God working through him. <br />So if you do bad, that is free will and it is down to you.<br />If you do good, that is the hand of God and it is not down to you. <br />Talk about wanting both your penny and bun! <br /><br />Changing the subject, I thought the window of opportunity had passed on this Iran thing but apparently not. Wait and watch.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com