tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post1819170192022429003..comments2024-03-07T00:40:45.585-08:00Comments on Trout Clan Campfire: Talking Means ... What?murph & freeacrehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10278932450332333778noreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-54956548716912873952010-10-06T06:16:26.394-07:002010-10-06T06:16:26.394-07:00RE; a dumbing down. I just had a book by Ralph Wa...RE; a dumbing down. I just had a book by Ralph Waldo Emerson arrive in the house. Talk about a different use of language! Every sentence is like a song, and frequently a repeat is needed just t o let it sink in.<br /><br />And we think we have advanced so far, with all our "tech" and modern flashy BS. The issues before us have indeed been present since we 2-leggeds have risen from our slimy places. Yet we are still here confronting the challenge.<br /><br />Must be something here worth experiencing.......<br /><br />Go Twins! <br /><br />Humpf.<br /><br />ZZonerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15420092852556979639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-54043025652495215462010-10-05T20:45:10.517-07:002010-10-05T20:45:10.517-07:00Hey Belgium,
Only 3 posts behind? lol I am ofte...Hey Belgium,<br /><br />Only 3 posts behind? lol I am often amazed when I go to a website I haven't been to for a while and have to spend an hour or more getting caught up if I am interested enough. It's the consequence of forced personal limitation of time spent on the computer so I can try and get something else done. <br /><br />As for the "old regulars" I am referring to those that somehow retain enough interest to keep in the conversation over years. <br /><br />In part two above, you mention an age of reason and enlightenment. Is that really a good description of our societies today? I'd have to agree the author you mentioned that the populations are being dumbed down. For the most part, it seems to me that language is very much being dumbed down too. When I read journals, speeches and publications from 100 years ago, I see a vast difference in the vocabularies and construction used and is considered archaic today. I'm not being nostalgic about it, I just see a big difference. When I read the translations of the Greek philosophers I see much more complicated thought lines, which means using vocabulary that has multiple and extensive conceptions embedded in them. Good or bad? But when I listen to a moron like G. Bush II and the almost exclusive use of 5th grade vocabulary,--- what can I say?<br /><br />"Today, people are required to have a little knowledge (acquaintance with) many things and because this experience, which is mainly second hand, is shallow they are easily fooled." I can sure agree with that. To be versed in many areas of information takes time and perseverance. Takes too much time away from sports and TV I reckon. <br /><br />One of the problems I see is that information has gone up exponentially in the last 50 years or so and it flat out is impossible to keep up with it all, even in a single area of specialization. In education, it is equally important to talk about what is excluded from the learning as what is included. Sure does create a lot of controversy. <br /><br />I've always been curious about the concept of wisdom. I find the dictionary on that word doesn't help much. Abstract concepts defined with more abstracts become circular arguments Bah! Humbugmurphnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-41599052697000372982010-10-05T20:15:47.759-07:002010-10-05T20:15:47.759-07:00Look at this, folks. Clif High has some choice th...Look at this, folks. Clif High has some choice things to say about a bill that has been introduced by John McCain and is now in committee. He seems to be pretty upset.<br /><br />http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s111-3081<br /><br />http://www.halfpasthuman.com/deathcampusa.html<br /><br />'Enemy belligerent' sounds pretty scary, 'til you realize they're talking about anybody who criticizes the government, on any level.<br /><br />Hey, Belgium. Nice to read your words again.<br /><br />-rpAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-58699795806589526942010-10-05T14:57:43.595-07:002010-10-05T14:57:43.595-07:00FB pt 2
I have mentioned before that some years a...FB pt 2<br /><br />I have mentioned before that some years ago I visited a web site dealing with word definitions and the simplification of the language. This person took say eight or ten ordinary everyday words and looked up the definitions in a series of dictionaries published at roughly ten year intervals and noted what wasn’t included from edition to edition. He concluded that there was a long term policy afoot to dumb down the language. But if that is true, how can it possibly fit in with our age of reason and enlightenment? Surely the more things we find out the clearer it all becomes like fitting pieces into a jig saw puzzle. <br /><br />It seems to me that when society was simpler say village life of 100 – 150 years ago people had personal experience of most conversational subjects and so the meaning was clear. Today, people are required to have a little knowledge (acquaintance with) many things and because this experience, which is mainly second hand, is shallow they are easily fooled. For instance if we read an article by Tom Beardon we are then expected to be up to speed on the workings of anti gravity devices. Or it may be the electronic universe, disappearing species; energy and resource crises, UFO’s: high finance or some aspect of art and the list goes on. Because we have limited knowledge of many more things it is easy to pull the wool over our eyes and truly the more we learn, the less we know. What then is the correct balance between depth and breadth of knowledge? Or is in fact knowledge the right thing to strive for? The Native American Chief, White Cloud had the right of it in his Circle of Life which starts off so:” Man has a poor understanding of life, he mistakes knowledge for wisdom…”<br /><br />The singer Billy Bragg from his album England, Half English ends one of his songs as follows:<br /><br />Put all the history books in the corner<br />But don’t throw them away<br />For one day we may discover<br />How Anglo hyphen Saxon<br />Became England dot co dot UK.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-35708387459190990852010-10-05T14:55:24.735-07:002010-10-05T14:55:24.735-07:00From Belgium
Read the post but not yet the commen...From Belgium<br /><br />Read the post but not yet the comments, the subject of which is right up my street and well put together Murph. At the moment I am three posts behind on the catching up stakes and desperately wanted to come in at that point but it didn’t happen and the occasion is now past. The problem is that being a helpful sort of chappie, I have spent so much time helping others who have asked for it and not doing the things that I want to, I feel that if I carry on for much longer I will be letting myself down. Anyway, that is enough of the self indulgent whinging; let me see if I can pick some feelings out of this one. When Murph mentioned some of the old regulars, I had to stop and question if I still fitted into that category, well half of it at least. Some of the very old timers may remember a post I did an age ago called “Spin, Disinformation, The Weaponisation of information and the Double Game” which gave a different aspect on much of what Murph is talking about here. <br /><br />Here are some initial thoughts and giving silly examples to make serious points without getting too involved in the whys and wherefores of what mister Aristotle had to say. Most of us would agree from experience with the statement of “All cows eat grass”. We would not agree with the reverse that “All grass eaters are cows” since if we have seen sheep eating grass this proves the statement wrong. But then you might get a gushing talking head on the TV who might say “To all you grass eaters out there my frying pan is getting ready for the rump steak.” Hang on, did he just associate all grass eaters with rump steak? And that is one way disinformation is just slid through. The more times it is repeated the more established it becomes. Some of you may have seen a spliced video clip lasting several minutes of Bush, Cheney, Rummy and a couple of others from the time just saying the words Terrorist; Terror or Terrorism. The more it is repeated, the more established it becomes and the more established it becomes the truer it is, at least in most peoples minds. <br /><br />Sometimes it is not that clear cut. Someone in an interview or debate may make the statement “Honesty is the best policy” another may say “The best policy is honesty” and in an instant, during the flow of the conversation you have to decide if you are being spun or not. Is it the same thing or is it different? Are there shades of grey and where are they if they exist?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-17177335274184340482010-10-04T22:47:56.544-07:002010-10-04T22:47:56.544-07:00I dunno... lately, we've been watching a lot o...I dunno... lately, we've been watching a lot of PBS travel shows and stuff while I'm in the kitchen making dinner or while waiting for the BBC News and stuff. Anyway, I keep seeing castle after castle in all these ruins along rivers in Europe and Eastern Europe. Along the Rhine, for instance, there's a castle about every 6 miles, and there used to be toll bridges at those castles, and every merchant ship that was trying to bring merchandise into the cities had to pay a toll at each bridge. And, if they didn't want to pay, well, the Duke or Prince or whatever would have his thugs fuck them up, I imagine. <br /> Anyway, the point here is that hierarchy and thievery and injustice and lack of freedom has been going on pretty much forever. China's history is no picnic either. Nor Persia, Africa, or South America. <br /> What keeps us going? I'd say it's what has not made it into the history books or is not written in stone. It's that vast unwritten history that is felt.. those memories that we have even if we are not aware of them. The hopes and dreams of those who came before, the loving touches, the beauty of the sunrises and the sunsets, the interaction between us and the animals and the earth... all those things that make life worth living, and this planet worth coming back to.<br />It's that place inside where<br /><br />"...at the bottom of the mind or what appears to be the bottom of the mind/body is a set of signals derived from an organic source and it is the manifestation of something unseeable yet responsible for all that is.<br />it is that place where nothing becomes something, .."<br /><br />I like to think that getting a better handle on that part is what us motherfuckers are supposed to do.freeacrenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-1812086007270258452010-10-04T22:15:32.677-07:002010-10-04T22:15:32.677-07:00I think this commenter over at the Kunstler site m...I think this commenter over at the Kunstler site makes some very good points regarding the reality of disappearing jobs as a definitive trend for all our futures:<br /><br />http://kunstler.com/blog/2010/10/posting-a-little-late-this-morning.html#more<br /><br />eightm | October 4, 2010 2:25 PM | Reply <br />Another AX: WORKHotspringswizardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07215356654367335612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-31345946567047621512010-10-04T12:46:29.088-07:002010-10-04T12:46:29.088-07:00Mf,
You are right, what is the point if there is ...Mf,<br /><br />You are right, what is the point if there is no understanding? Let me offer this. There are levels of communication. At its basic and most unthoughtful, we have what is called "past timing". It is just social mutterings that keep channels open. It has conventions all of its own. It serves a purpose in human interaction. Remember, in Avitar movie the standard greeting was, "I see you",ie I recognize the essence of you, I acknowledge that you exist. Normally, we humans do not have that heavy a greeting with each other but we do tend to acknowledge each others existence by these social "past timing". <br /><br />At a deeper level, we try and pass information to each other and this is where we have problems and it shows up pretty vividly when we attempt to communicate abstract ideas. Just what is meant when we say "I love you" or "I think that guy is shit". <br /><br />Within the concrete world, we have pretty generalized shared ideas about what a lake is, an ocean, a tree, a car. It's when we get into the very specifics of what kind of lake, the fish in it, what kind of tree, how it feels to you and kind of wood it has and the type of car and how safe it is, how fast it will go, etc that we will get mixed up communication unless we go into a great amount of detail. <br /><br />What I was trying to emphasize was that as we spend time attempting to communicate with someone, over time these kinds of details and understanding improves so that when "I love you" comes along, we have a pretty good idea of what that means to that person. <br /><br />Therefore, attempts at communication aren't a waste of time. Our expected outcome of this attempt may be unrealistic also. You don't say to a fundamentalist Christian that you have just met that Christianity is a very evil system. Further attempts at communication are then a waste of time regardless of the subject matter. <br /><br />And yes, two people may very well communicate at some level that does not involve the symbols of speech. I think it is probably rather rare. <br /><br />I also agree that we are in the end, a product of our society/environment. Recognizing that and changing the internal values to something more reasonable, more useful I think is a good thing. That is why I say that an individual should periodically drag out his most cherished beliefs and examine them again to see how they work, and if there is a question about that, change them. Often easier said than done.murphnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-91218127272609800692010-10-04T09:00:03.503-07:002010-10-04T09:00:03.503-07:00Well said, mf.
ZWell said, mf.<br /><br />ZZonerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15420092852556979639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-43051737113816304152010-10-04T06:48:39.912-07:002010-10-04T06:48:39.912-07:00other part
you know brothers and sisters, i am no...other part<br /><br />you know brothers and sisters, i am not an educated person and what i put on the table is straight from the heart. <br />i bear the same scars as all of you from the trauma of simply being born into a societal system which honors and rewards that which brings death and worse to those that are not quite as capable of living the great illusion of ''its our right to stick out nose as deep in the trough as possible'' so as to maintain that sense of self-worth which the christians play lip service to.<br />weather we like it or not we are walking talking christians. <br />hell its even on the nasty shit we exchange and kill for, money.<br />the so called values and all the other horse shit that is suppose to pass for behavior is just that, pure horse shit, and like it or not it is us.<br />this is not fancy,this is true, i mean everyone that comes through this abomination called america is completely and thoroughly immersed in it.<br />we are good little robots and we will not stray far from the path or jesus will throw your ass in jail,maybe not jesus personally but one of his little helper pigs, and on and on it goes,<br />the system is the very essence of that which would be called evil in a heart felt person, of which there are not nearly enough at this point but are gaining all the time i see as cyber flow unwinds.<br /><br />anyway enough of this, somehow no matter what the topic i always seem to degrade into a rant and rave about the fucked up mess we live in.<br />if jumping off a bridge would help the situation i would jump but beings a coward and also knowing that it would not help a goddam thing i think the next best thing is to just hang out with the good folks that come to this sacred place to exchange thoughts about stuff.<br />i appreciate and applaud all that attend here and wish nothing but the best for all of you, whom for some reason or another have put us together to learn to survive what is ahead.<br />like my friend said yesterday,<br />''we are who we have been waiting for''<br />aho<br />mf<br />wv prolize ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-91646829154476254902010-10-04T06:46:37.762-07:002010-10-04T06:46:37.762-07:00murph, thanks for calling attention to the topic o...murph, thanks for calling attention to the topic of communication, or what we commonly call attempts to understand what another is saying,feeling, for whatever reason.<br /><br />this is to this one so important that it borders on lunacy.<br /><br />the breakdown seems to occur at a point before a word even leaves the mouth it seems and what is left is a shambles of misunderstanding. <br />folks this is serious business,for without the ability to transfer information from one to another we are simply loss to the ravages of what is happing right now. <br />the world at this point unless i am missing some larger divine plan in which jesus or some other fucked up illusion is just waiting for the right moment to jump in and save our worthless asses...<br /><br />well anyway to the meat of the topic is this i think. <br />what we have now is for all practical purposes a serious, joke, so what is a mother fucker to do?<br />about it?<br />to uncover the reasons or reason for this more or less useless attempt to find refuge in sharing something that cannot be shared is to me important because the way it is now gives me a fucking headache.<br />ok,so does this make sense?<br />at the bottom of the mind or what appears to be the bottom of the mind/body is a set of signals derived from an organic source and it is the manifestation of something unseeable yet responsible for all that is.<br />it is that place where nothing becomes something, now maybe and this is a big maybe two people can see this place at the same time there will/might be complete understanding.<br />it is beyond and maybe below that which we are accustom to being able to bear witness to.<br />it is a place where the thinking mind shuts the fuck up and just listens and waits, and waits, and waits. for what? see what i mean? the thinking mind cannot even conceive this tiny amount of silence in which awaits that which is un-manifest.<br />it is this which the two-leggeds if they wish to survive will learn of because the uselessness of what is is only convenient as a means of caveman utterances, it has not much, if any of the evolution of <br />humankind.<br /><br />other part belowAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-31873695713405721712010-10-02T20:23:29.705-07:002010-10-02T20:23:29.705-07:00Pangolin,
Ha! "Blue teeth." That's...Pangolin,<br /> Ha! "Blue teeth." That's a good visual! I can just see Nancy Pelosi and John Boner, uh, Bohner, and Reid, and all of 'em with blue teeth and blue guk all over their faces. <br /> Speaking of communication running amok, I am very saddened over that kid that jumped to his death after being videotaped in his dorm room with running video of a gay sex encounter. It just breaks my heart. I worked with so many unhappy kids over the years when I was a psychiatric child care worker. But the only kids that I know that I lost were gay kids who killed themselves. This outrageous cruelty has been going on for years and years, and just seems to be getting worse, despite the acceptance in some circles. It is just too sad.freeacrenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-30202495473578286482010-10-02T02:17:52.083-07:002010-10-02T02:17:52.083-07:00Honestly, I'm such a poor listener I sometimes...Honestly, I'm such a poor listener I sometimes wonder if I'm autistic. This is as good as it gets for me; a text board. Here I can read everybody's posts and comments and skip the confusing fluff of body language and facial expression that I just don't get without several months of close contact with somebody. <br /><br />I think that our culture places so much emphasis on individuals in competition that we actually destroy the prize. It's like placing a blueberry pie in front of a group of five year olds and telling them to go for it. Very little of the pie actually makes it's way into actual mouths. <br /><br />Hell, I don't know. I can't follow what people are saying. I have to watch what actually happens. Somebody took most of the damn pie and then hit the near empty pie tin with a sledgehammer to cover his tracks. They're talking a good line in D.C. but they teeth are blue; GOP and DEM both.Pangolinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18369503994505817789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-59066150065725705012010-10-01T21:39:50.814-07:002010-10-01T21:39:50.814-07:00http://neithercorp.us/npress/?p=812
Economic Coll...http://neithercorp.us/npress/?p=812<br /><br />Economic Collapse Update: Acceleration In Autumn<br /><br />Alot of good points in this article, and in some of the comments too. <br /><br />I however disgree completely with the tail end of the comment by Giordano on 10-1 at 5:23 where he says Peak Oil is a scam. He states this " Wells dry up, sure, but new wells form in other parts of the world ". <br /><br />The truth is discoveries of new reserves in the world have been declining since around 1965. More oil has been produced yearly since then because we developed the technology to pull it out faster from mostly the existing large oil fields ( elephants fields ) already discovered quite a long time ago. <br /><br />Does this guy think that the oil companies are now spending countless billions drilling offshore and chomping at the bit to spend trillions more in the arctic as the ice melts and the ice cap shrinks because new oil fields are popping up out of the blue in all the convenient places that they used to get it? <br /><br />Amazing that this is the guy who wrote this article. It makes me wonder just how he will be asigning blame, looking for scapegoat excuses as we fall off of peak in the next few years and things get real ugly regarding world supply of oil.<br /><br />I think the article itself is still worth a read though.Hotspringswizardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07215356654367335612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-20452025066526332222010-10-01T14:20:47.657-07:002010-10-01T14:20:47.657-07:00M; Don't ya just hate it when that happens?
...M; Don't ya just hate it when that happens?<br /><br />-rpAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-91576873681759764862010-10-01T10:24:53.557-07:002010-10-01T10:24:53.557-07:00and the rest that wouldn't fit, with the link:...and the rest that wouldn't fit, with the link:<br /><br />www.soilandhealth.org<br /><br />They have a broad number of very useful and interesting (mostly old, out of copyright) books available for download.<br /> This section of the home page kind of sums up their areas of specialization and interest:<br /><br /> "This website provides free e-books, mainly about holistic agriculture, holistic health and self-sufficient homestead living. There are secondary collections about social criticism and transformational psychology. No fees are collected for this service.<br /><br /> Upon special request the Soil and Health Library provides custom-made digital copies of a far wider range of books in the same subject areas for its patrons, delivered on CD-ROM by post. There is a small fee for this service.<br /><br /> The library's subject seemingly-diverse topic areas actually connect agricultural methods to the consequent health or illness of animals and humans, shows how to prevent and heal disease and increase longevity, suggests how to live a more fulfilling life and reveals social forces working against that possibility.<br /><br /> <br /><br />The Free Digitalized Library:<br /><br />There are four major subject areas:<br /><br /> Radical Agriculture. The nutritional qualites of food and consequently the health of the animals and humans eating that food are determined by soil fertility. This section's interest is far wider than organic gardening and farming; other health-determined approaches to food-raising are also included. Go to the Agriculture Library<br /><br /> The Restoration and Maintenance of Health. Nutritional medicine heals disease, builds and maintains health with diet—and sometimes heals with fasting or other forms of dietary restriction. There are many approaches represented in this collection. There is also a collection concerning longevity and nutritional anthropology. A new medical reference library has been added to this collection. Go to the Health Library<br /><br /> Achieving Personal Sovereignty. Physical, mental, and spiritual health are linked to one's lifestyle. This collection focuses on liberating activities, especially homesteading and the skills it takes to do that—small-scale entrepreneuring, financial independence, frugality, and voluntary simplicity. There is also a collection of social criticism, especially from a back-to-the-land point of view. Go to the Personal Sovereignty Library<br /><br /> Achieving Spiritual Freedom. There are many seemingly-different self-betterment roads. The books in this collection seek to empower a person to effect their own development in an independent manner. Go to the Spiritual Freedom Library.<br /><br />Additionally<br /><br /> Clippings and Miscellaneous. Since this library's beginning patrons have sent information and URLs where interesting bits of information and viewpoints could be found. Here you will find articles and essays and etc. that support and enhance the information found in our book collections. Go to the Clipping File.<br /><br /> Latest E-Books Added. Digitalized titles added to the online Soil and Health Library in the last few months, click here:"<br /><br />wv: sudglint<br />time to go have a beer and ponder?<br />maybe this evening.M in Oregonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-4407982632403671942010-10-01T09:03:46.929-07:002010-10-01T09:03:46.929-07:00www.soilandhealth.org
They have a broad number of...www.soilandhealth.org<br /><br />They have a broad number of very useful and interesting (mostly old, out of copyright) books available for download.<br /> This section of the home page kind of sums up their areas of specialization and interest:<br /><br /> "This website provides free e-books, mainly about holistic agriculture, holistic health and self-sufficient homestead living. There are secondary collections about social criticism and transformational psychology. No fees are collected for this service.<br /><br /> Upon special request the Soil and Health Library provides custom-made digital copies of a far wider range of books in the same subject areas for its patrons, delivered on CD-ROM by post. There is a small fee for this service.<br /><br /> The library's subject seemingly-diverse topic areas actually connect agricultural methods to the consequent health or illness of animals and humans, shows how to prevent and heal disease and increase longevity, suggests how to live a more fulfilling life and reveals social forces working against that possibility.<br /><br /> <br /><br />The Free Digitalized Library:<br /><br />There are four major subject areas:<br /><br /> Radical Agriculture. The nutritional qualites of food and consequently the health of the animals and humans eating that food are determined by soil fertility. This section's interest is far wider than organic gardening and farming; other health-determined approaches to food-raising are also included. Go to the Agriculture Library<br /><br /> The Restoration and Maintenance of Health. Nutritional medicine heals disease, builds and maintains health with diet—and sometimes heals with fasting or other forms of dietary restriction. There are many approaches represented in this collection. There is also a collection concerning longevity and nutritional anthropology. A new medical reference library has been added to this collection. Go to the Health Library<br /><br /> Achieving Personal Sovereignty. Physical, mental, and spiritual health are linked to one's lifestyle. This collection focuses on liberating activities, especially homesteading and the skills it takes to do that—small-scale entrepreneuring, financial independence, frugality, and voluntary simplicity. There is also a collection of social criticism, especially from a back-to-the-land point of view. Go to the Personal Sovereignty Library<br /><br /> Achieving Spiritual Freedom. There are many seemingly-different self-betterment roads. The books in this collection seek to empower a person to effect their own development in an independent manner. Go to the Spiritual Freedom Library.<br /><br />Additionally<br /><br /> Clippings and Miscellaneous. Since this library's beginning patrons have sent information and URLs where interesting bits of information and viewpoints could be found. Here you will find articles and essays and etc. that support and enhance the information found in our book collections. Go to the Clipping File.<br /><br /> Latest E-Books Added. Digitalized titles added to the online Soil and Health Library in the last few months, click here:"M in Oregonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-31893299906451698672010-10-01T09:02:19.019-07:002010-10-01T09:02:19.019-07:00Had to split it up...
Here's the link, and a ...Had to split it up...<br /><br />Here's the link, and a description of the library's contents from the home page:<br /><br />http://soilandhealth.org/<br /><br />They have a broad number of very useful and interesting (mostly old, out of copyright) books available for download.<br /> This section of the home page kind of sums up their areas of specialization and interest:<br /><br /> "This website provides free e-books, mainly about holistic agriculture, holistic health and self-sufficient homestead living. There are secondary collections about social criticism and transformational psychology. No fees are collected for this service.<br /><br /> Upon special request the Soil and Health Library provides custom-made digital copies of a far wider range of books in the same subject areas for its patrons, delivered on CD-ROM by post. There is a small fee for this service.<br /><br /> The library's subject seemingly-diverse topic areas actually connect agricultural methods to the consequent health or illness of animals and humans, shows how to prevent and heal disease and increase longevity, suggests how to live a more fulfilling life and reveals social forces working against that possibility.<br /><br /> <br /><br />The Free Digitalized Library:<br /><br />There are four major subject areas:<br /><br /> Radical Agriculture. The nutritional qualites of food and consequently the health of the animals and humans eating that food are determined by soil fertility. This section's interest is far wider than organic gardening and farming; other health-determined approaches to food-raising are also included. Go to the Agriculture Library<br /><br /> The Restoration and Maintenance of Health. Nutritional medicine heals disease, builds and maintains health with diet—and sometimes heals with fasting or other forms of dietary restriction. There are many approaches represented in this collection. There is also a collection concerning longevity and nutritional anthropology. A new medical reference library has been added to this collection. Go to the Health Library<br /><br /> Achieving Personal Sovereignty. Physical, mental, and spiritual health are linked to one's lifestyle. This collection focuses on liberating activities, especially homesteading and the skills it takes to do that—small-scale entrepreneuring, financial independence, frugality, and voluntary simplicity. There is also a collection of social criticism, especially from a back-to-the-land point of view. Go to the Personal Sovereignty Library<br /><br /> Achieving Spiritual Freedom. There are many seemingly-different self-betterment roads. The books in this collection seek to empower a person to effect their own development in an independent manner. Go to the Spiritual Freedom Library.<br /><br />Additionally<br /><br /> Clippings and Miscellaneous. Since this library's beginning patrons have sent information and URLs where interesting bits of information and viewpoints could be found. Here you will find articles and essays and etc. that support and enhance the information found in our book collections. Go to the Clipping File.<br /><br /> Latest E-Books Added. Digitalized titles added to the online Soil and Health Library in the last few months, click here:"M in Oregonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-67906168044019121272010-10-01T08:59:11.800-07:002010-10-01T08:59:11.800-07:00Enjoying the discussion, but not much to add that ...Enjoying the discussion, but not much to add that wouldn't be a rehash...<br /><br /> I was reminded by the health discussions from previous posts to look back through my emails for a site that I downloaded some ebooks from a long while ago...<br /><br />I don't know if you all have seen this, or someone has shared it here before, but it seems to be a wonderful, free resource... If you enjoy it, and can afford to, I would encourage donating.<br /><br />I hope this link helps any who have not previously found it to work toward healthy minds, bodies, and soil, and all else that can be gained from this freely and generously shared knowlege...<br /><br />M on the coast of OR<br /><br />wv: rotorsivM in Oregonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-48438107569789021812010-10-01T08:57:50.305-07:002010-10-01T08:57:50.305-07:00Enjoying the discussion, but not much to add that ...Enjoying the discussion, but not much to add that wouldn't be a rehash...<br /><br /> I was reminded by the health discussions from previous posts to look back through my emails for a site that I downloaded some ebooks from a long while ago...<br /><br />I don't know if you all have seen this, or someone has shared it here before, but it seems to be a wonderful, free resource... If you enjoy it, and can afford to, I would encourage donating.<br /><br />The Soil and Health Library, founded by Steve Solomon In Tasmania...<br /><br />http://soilandhealth.org/<br /><br />They have a broad number of very useful and interesting (mostly old, out of copyright) books available for download.<br /> This section of the home page kind of sums up their areas of specialization and interest:<br /><br /> "This website provides free e-books, mainly about holistic agriculture, holistic health and self-sufficient homestead living. There are secondary collections about social criticism and transformational psychology. No fees are collected for this service.<br /><br /> Upon special request the Soil and Health Library provides custom-made digital copies of a far wider range of books in the same subject areas for its patrons, delivered on CD-ROM by post. There is a small fee for this service.<br /><br /> The library's subject seemingly-diverse topic areas actually connect agricultural methods to the consequent health or illness of animals and humans, shows how to prevent and heal disease and increase longevity, suggests how to live a more fulfilling life and reveals social forces working against that possibility.<br /><br /> <br /><br />The Free Digitalized Library:<br /><br />There are four major subject areas:<br /><br /> Radical Agriculture. The nutritional qualites of food and consequently the health of the animals and humans eating that food are determined by soil fertility. This section's interest is far wider than organic gardening and farming; other health-determined approaches to food-raising are also included. Go to the Agriculture Library<br /><br /> The Restoration and Maintenance of Health. Nutritional medicine heals disease, builds and maintains health with diet—and sometimes heals with fasting or other forms of dietary restriction. There are many approaches represented in this collection. There is also a collection concerning longevity and nutritional anthropology. A new medical reference library has been added to this collection. Go to the Health Library<br /><br /> Achieving Personal Sovereignty. Physical, mental, and spiritual health are linked to one's lifestyle. This collection focuses on liberating activities, especially homesteading and the skills it takes to do that—small-scale entrepreneuring, financial independence, frugality, and voluntary simplicity. There is also a collection of social criticism, especially from a back-to-the-land point of view. Go to the Personal Sovereignty Library<br /><br /> Achieving Spiritual Freedom. There are many seemingly-different self-betterment roads. The books in this collection seek to empower a person to effect their own development in an independent manner. Go to the Spiritual Freedom Library.<br /><br />Additionally<br /><br /> Clippings and Miscellaneous. Since this library's beginning patrons have sent information and URLs where interesting bits of information and viewpoints could be found. Here you will find articles and essays and etc. that support and enhance the information found in our book collections. Go to the Clipping File.<br /><br /> Latest E-Books Added. Digitalized titles added to the online Soil and Health Library in the last few months, click here:"<br /><br />I hope this link helps any who have not previously found it to work toward healthy minds, bodies, and soil, and all else that can be gained from this freely and generously shared knowlege...<br /><br />M on the coast of OR<br /><br />wv: sporkestM in Oregonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-71661344098265305282010-10-01T08:56:53.570-07:002010-10-01T08:56:53.570-07:00Enjoying the discussion, but not much to add that ...Enjoying the discussion, but not much to add that wouldn't be a rehash...<br /><br /> I was reminded by the health discussions from previous posts to look back through my emails for a site that I downloaded some ebooks from a long while ago...<br /><br />I don't know if you all have seen this, or someone has shared it here before, but it seems to be a wonderful, free resource... If you enjoy it, and can afford to, I would encourage donating.<br /><br />The Soil and Health Library, founded by Steve Solomon In Tasmania...<br /><br />http://soilandhealth.org/<br /><br />They have a broad number of very useful and interesting (mostly old, out of copyright) books available for download.<br /> This section of the home page kind of sums up their areas of specialization and interest:<br /><br /> "This website provides free e-books, mainly about holistic agriculture, holistic health and self-sufficient homestead living. There are secondary collections about social criticism and transformational psychology. No fees are collected for this service.<br /><br /> Upon special request the Soil and Health Library provides custom-made digital copies of a far wider range of books in the same subject areas for its patrons, delivered on CD-ROM by post. There is a small fee for this service.<br /><br /> The library's subject seemingly-diverse topic areas actually connect agricultural methods to the consequent health or illness of animals and humans, shows how to prevent and heal disease and increase longevity, suggests how to live a more fulfilling life and reveals social forces working against that possibility.<br /><br /> <br /><br />The Free Digitalized Library:<br /><br />There are four major subject areas:<br /><br /> Radical Agriculture. The nutritional qualites of food and consequently the health of the animals and humans eating that food are determined by soil fertility. This section's interest is far wider than organic gardening and farming; other health-determined approaches to food-raising are also included. Go to the Agriculture Library<br /><br /> The Restoration and Maintenance of Health. Nutritional medicine heals disease, builds and maintains health with diet—and sometimes heals with fasting or other forms of dietary restriction. There are many approaches represented in this collection. There is also a collection concerning longevity and nutritional anthropology. A new medical reference library has been added to this collection. Go to the Health Library<br /><br /> Achieving Personal Sovereignty. Physical, mental, and spiritual health are linked to one's lifestyle. This collection focuses on liberating activities, especially homesteading and the skills it takes to do that—small-scale entrepreneuring, financial independence, frugality, and voluntary simplicity. There is also a collection of social criticism, especially from a back-to-the-land point of view. Go to the Personal Sovereignty Library<br /><br /> Achieving Spiritual Freedom. There are many seemingly-different self-betterment roads. The books in this collection seek to empower a person to effect their own development in an independent manner. Go to the Spiritual Freedom Library.<br /><br />Additionally<br /><br /> Clippings and Miscellaneous. Since this library's beginning patrons have sent information and URLs where interesting bits of information and viewpoints could be found. Here you will find articles and essays and etc. that support and enhance the information found in our book collections. Go to the Clipping File.<br /><br /> Latest E-Books Added. Digitalized titles added to the online Soil and Health Library in the last few months, click here:"<br /><br />I hope this link helps any who have not previously found it to work toward healthy minds, bodies, and soil, and all else that can be gained from this freely and generously shared knowlege...<br /><br />M on the coast of OR<br /><br />wv: sporkest<br />award given at the spork-fest?M in Oregonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-75389605627790534752010-10-01T08:54:56.743-07:002010-10-01T08:54:56.743-07:00Enjoying the discussion, but not much to add that ...Enjoying the discussion, but not much to add that wouldn't be a rehash...<br /><br /> I was reminded by the health discussions from previous posts to look back through my emails for a site that I downloaded some ebooks from a long while ago...<br /><br />I don't know if you all have seen this, or someone has shared it here before, but it seems to be a wonderful, free resource... If you enjoy it, and can afford to, I would encourage donating.<br /><br />The Soil and Health Library, founded by Steve Solomon In Tasmania...<br /><br />http://soilandhealth.org/<br /><br />They have a broad number of very useful and interesting (mostly old, out of copyright) books available for download.<br /> This section of the home page kind of sums up their areas of specialization and interest:<br /><br /> "This website provides free e-books, mainly about holistic agriculture, holistic health and self-sufficient homestead living. There are secondary collections about social criticism and transformational psychology. No fees are collected for this service.<br /><br /> Upon special request the Soil and Health Library provides custom-made digital copies of a far wider range of books in the same subject areas for its patrons, delivered on CD-ROM by post. There is a small fee for this service.<br /><br /> The library's subject seemingly-diverse topic areas actually connect agricultural methods to the consequent health or illness of animals and humans, shows how to prevent and heal disease and increase longevity, suggests how to live a more fulfilling life and reveals social forces working against that possibility.<br /><br /> <br /><br />The Free Digitalized Library:<br /><br />There are four major subject areas:<br /><br /> Radical Agriculture. The nutritional qualites of food and consequently the health of the animals and humans eating that food are determined by soil fertility. This section's interest is far wider than organic gardening and farming; other health-determined approaches to food-raising are also included. Go to the Agriculture Library<br /><br /> The Restoration and Maintenance of Health. Nutritional medicine heals disease, builds and maintains health with diet—and sometimes heals with fasting or other forms of dietary restriction. There are many approaches represented in this collection. There is also a collection concerning longevity and nutritional anthropology. A new medical reference library has been added to this collection. Go to the Health Library<br /><br /> Achieving Personal Sovereignty. Physical, mental, and spiritual health are linked to one's lifestyle. This collection focuses on liberating activities, especially homesteading and the skills it takes to do that—small-scale entrepreneuring, financial independence, frugality, and voluntary simplicity. There is also a collection of social criticism, especially from a back-to-the-land point of view. Go to the Personal Sovereignty Library<br /><br /> Achieving Spiritual Freedom. There are many seemingly-different self-betterment roads. The books in this collection seek to empower a person to effect their own development in an independent manner. Go to the Spiritual Freedom Library.<br /><br />Additionally<br /><br /> Clippings and Miscellaneous. Since this library's beginning patrons have sent information and URLs where interesting bits of information and viewpoints could be found. Here you will find articles and essays and etc. that support and enhance the information found in our book collections. Go to the Clipping File.<br /><br /> Latest E-Books Added. Digitalized titles added to the online Soil and Health Library in the last few months, click here:"<br /><br />I hope this link helps any who have not previously found it to work toward healthy minds, bodies, and soil, and all else that can be gained from this freely and generously shared knowlege...<br /><br />M on the coast of OR<br /><br />wv: rotorsivM in Oregonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-37705763129124760242010-10-01T08:54:16.862-07:002010-10-01T08:54:16.862-07:00Enjoying the discussion, but not much to add that ...Enjoying the discussion, but not much to add that wouldn't be a rehash...<br /><br /> I was reminded by the health discussions from previous posts to look back through my emails for a site that I downloaded some ebooks from a long while ago...<br /><br />I don't know if you all have seen this, or someone has shared it here before, but it seems to be a wonderful, free resource... If you enjoy it, and can afford to, I would encourage donating.<br /><br />The Soil and Health Library, founded by Steve Solomon In Tasmania...<br /><br />http://soilandhealth.org/<br /><br />They have a broad number of very useful and interesting (mostly old, out of copyright) books available for download.<br /> This section of the home page kind of sums up their areas of specialization and interest:<br /><br /> "This website provides free e-books, mainly about holistic agriculture, holistic health and self-sufficient homestead living. There are secondary collections about social criticism and transformational psychology. No fees are collected for this service.<br /><br /> Upon special request the Soil and Health Library provides custom-made digital copies of a far wider range of books in the same subject areas for its patrons, delivered on CD-ROM by post. There is a small fee for this service.<br /><br /> The library's subject seemingly-diverse topic areas actually connect agricultural methods to the consequent health or illness of animals and humans, shows how to prevent and heal disease and increase longevity, suggests how to live a more fulfilling life and reveals social forces working against that possibility.<br /><br /> <br /><br />The Free Digitalized Library:<br /><br />There are four major subject areas:<br /><br /> Radical Agriculture. The nutritional qualites of food and consequently the health of the animals and humans eating that food are determined by soil fertility. This section's interest is far wider than organic gardening and farming; other health-determined approaches to food-raising are also included. Go to the Agriculture Library<br /><br /> The Restoration and Maintenance of Health. Nutritional medicine heals disease, builds and maintains health with diet—and sometimes heals with fasting or other forms of dietary restriction. There are many approaches represented in this collection. There is also a collection concerning longevity and nutritional anthropology. A new medical reference library has been added to this collection. Go to the Health Library<br /><br /> Achieving Personal Sovereignty. Physical, mental, and spiritual health are linked to one's lifestyle. This collection focuses on liberating activities, especially homesteading and the skills it takes to do that—small-scale entrepreneuring, financial independence, frugality, and voluntary simplicity. There is also a collection of social criticism, especially from a back-to-the-land point of view. Go to the Personal Sovereignty Library<br /><br /> Achieving Spiritual Freedom. There are many seemingly-different self-betterment roads. The books in this collection seek to empower a person to effect their own development in an independent manner. Go to the Spiritual Freedom Library.<br /><br />Additionally<br /><br /> Clippings and Miscellaneous. Since this library's beginning patrons have sent information and URLs where interesting bits of information and viewpoints could be found. Here you will find articles and essays and etc. that support and enhance the information found in our book collections. Go to the Clipping File.<br /><br /> Latest E-Books Added. Digitalized titles added to the online Soil and Health Library in the last few months, click here:"<br /><br />I hope this link helps any who have not previously found it to work toward healthy minds, bodies, and soil, and all else that can be gained from this freely and generously shared knowlege...<br /><br />M on the coast of OR<br /><br />wv: rotorsivM in Oregonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-70823307763890104812010-10-01T08:53:28.069-07:002010-10-01T08:53:28.069-07:00Enjoying the discussion, but not much to add that ...Enjoying the discussion, but not much to add that wouldn't be a rehash...<br /><br /> I was reminded by the health discussions from previous posts to look back through my emails for a site that I downloaded some ebooks from a long while ago...<br /><br />I don't know if you all have seen this, or someone has shared it here before, but it seems to be a wonderful, free resource... If you enjoy it, and can afford to, I would encourage donating.<br /><br />The Soil and Health Library, founded by Steve Solomon In Tasmania...<br /><br />http://soilandhealth.org/<br /><br />They have a broad number of very useful and interesting (mostly old, out of copyright) books available for download.<br /> This section of the home page kind of sums up their areas of specialization and interest:<br /><br /> "This website provides free e-books, mainly about holistic agriculture, holistic health and self-sufficient homestead living. There are secondary collections about social criticism and transformational psychology. No fees are collected for this service.<br /><br /> Upon special request the Soil and Health Library provides custom-made digital copies of a far wider range of books in the same subject areas for its patrons, delivered on CD-ROM by post. There is a small fee for this service.<br /><br /> The library's subject seemingly-diverse topic areas actually connect agricultural methods to the consequent health or illness of animals and humans, shows how to prevent and heal disease and increase longevity, suggests how to live a more fulfilling life and reveals social forces working against that possibility.<br /><br /> <br /><br />The Free Digitalized Library:<br /><br />There are four major subject areas:<br /><br /> Radical Agriculture. The nutritional qualites of food and consequently the health of the animals and humans eating that food are determined by soil fertility. This section's interest is far wider than organic gardening and farming; other health-determined approaches to food-raising are also included. Go to the Agriculture Library<br /><br /> The Restoration and Maintenance of Health. Nutritional medicine heals disease, builds and maintains health with diet—and sometimes heals with fasting or other forms of dietary restriction. There are many approaches represented in this collection. There is also a collection concerning longevity and nutritional anthropology. A new medical reference library has been added to this collection. Go to the Health Library<br /><br /> Achieving Personal Sovereignty. Physical, mental, and spiritual health are linked to one's lifestyle. This collection focuses on liberating activities, especially homesteading and the skills it takes to do that—small-scale entrepreneuring, financial independence, frugality, and voluntary simplicity. There is also a collection of social criticism, especially from a back-to-the-land point of view. Go to the Personal Sovereignty Library<br /><br /> Achieving Spiritual Freedom. There are many seemingly-different self-betterment roads. The books in this collection seek to empower a person to effect their own development in an independent manner. Go to the Spiritual Freedom Library.<br /><br />Additionally<br /><br /> Clippings and Miscellaneous. Since this library's beginning patrons have sent information and URLs where interesting bits of information and viewpoints could be found. Here you will find articles and essays and etc. that support and enhance the information found in our book collections. Go to the Clipping File.<br /><br /> Latest E-Books Added. Digitalized titles added to the online Soil and Health Library in the last few months, click here:"<br /><br />I hope this link helps any who have not previously found it to work toward healthy minds, bodies, and soil, and all else that can be gained from this freely and generously shared knowlege...<br /><br />M on the coast of OR<br /><br />wv: rotorsivM in Oregonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-14291596793191684852010-09-30T23:22:32.911-07:002010-09-30T23:22:32.911-07:00Enjoying the discussion, not much to add, but I wa...Enjoying the discussion, not much to add, but I was reminded by the health discussions from previous posts to look back through my emails for a link to a site that I downloaded some ebooks from a long while ago...<br /><br />I don't know if you all have seen this, or someone has shared it here before, but it seems to be a wonderful, free resource... If you enjoy it, and can afford to, I would encourage donating.<br /><br />The Soil and Health Library, founded by Steve Solomon In Tasmania...<br /><br />http://soilandhealth.org/<br /><br />They have a broad number of very useful and interesting (mostly old) books available for download.<br /> This section of the home page kind of sums up their areas of specialization and interest:<br /><br /> "This website provides free e-books, mainly about holistic agriculture, holistic health and self-sufficient homestead living. There are secondary collections about social criticism and transformational psychology. No fees are collected for this service.<br /><br /> Upon special request the Soil and Health Library provides custom-made digital copies of a far wider range of books in the same subject areas for its patrons, delivered on CD-ROM by post. There is a small fee for this service.<br /><br /> The library's subject seemingly-diverse topic areas actually connect agricultural methods to the consequent health or illness of animals and humans, shows how to prevent and heal disease and increase longevity, suggests how to live a more fulfilling life and reveals social forces working against that possibility.<br /><br /> <br /><br />The Free Digitalized Library:<br /><br />There are four major subject areas:<br /><br /> Radical Agriculture. The nutritional qualites of food and consequently the health of the animals and humans eating that food are determined by soil fertility. This section's interest is far wider than organic gardening and farming; other health-determined approaches to food-raising are also included. Go to the Agriculture Library<br /><br /> The Restoration and Maintenance of Health. Nutritional medicine heals disease, builds and maintains health with diet—and sometimes heals with fasting or other forms of dietary restriction. There are many approaches represented in this collection. There is also a collection concerning longevity and nutritional anthropology. A new medical reference library has been added to this collection. Go to the Health Library<br /><br /> Achieving Personal Sovereignty. Physical, mental, and spiritual health are linked to one's lifestyle. This collection focuses on liberating activities, especially homesteading and the skills it takes to do that—small-scale entrepreneuring, financial independence, frugality, and voluntary simplicity. There is also a collection of social criticism, especially from a back-to-the-land point of view. Go to the Personal Sovereignty Library<br /><br /> Achieving Spiritual Freedom. There are many seemingly-different self-betterment roads. The books in this collection seek to empower a person to effect their own development in an independent manner. Go to the Spiritual Freedom Library.<br /><br />Additionally<br /><br /> Clippings and Miscellaneous. Since this library's beginning patrons have sent information and URLs where interesting bits of information and viewpoints could be found. Here you will find articles and essays and etc. that support and enhance the information found in our book collections. Go to the Clipping File.<br /><br /> Latest E-Books Added. Digitalized titles added to the online Soil and Health Library in the last few months, click here:"<br /><br />I hope this link helps any who have not previously found it to work toward healthy bodies and soil, and all else that can be gained from this freely shared knowlege...<br /><br />M on the coast of OR<br /><br />wv: rotorsivM in Oregonnoreply@blogger.com