tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post3277474731322976058..comments2024-03-07T00:40:45.585-08:00Comments on Trout Clan Campfire: UPDATES AND DISCUSSIONmurph & freeacrehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10278932450332333778noreply@blogger.comBlogger126125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-66770750071530402272013-10-31T09:01:57.824-07:002013-10-31T09:01:57.824-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08286002464511495513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-28748786838762668232013-05-27T00:43:47.579-07:002013-05-27T00:43:47.579-07:00Now, dear p, don't you go over-extending yours... Now, dear p, don't you go over-extending yourself. We got just as much money as we ever had coming in. The buildings will be replaced. Shitloads of garage sales and flea markets. Everybody here has had hard times in the past year or so. Everybody is living pretty close to the bone. So, RELAX. That goes for everybody.<br /> I could use some tips from your lady. I seem to organize everything so that the stuff I don't use fills up all my drawers. So, the stuff I do use, is laying around on top of everything else. God, I hate that! Hopefully, now that we no longer have as much stuff, I can figure out a way to put some shit away. That would be good.freeacrenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-22344174049602041212013-05-26T13:12:14.413-07:002013-05-26T13:12:14.413-07:00and you don't even have to put up with our sor...and you don't even have to put up with our sorry asses when you have no place to put us up. cept for here... pAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-9765941017791857702013-05-26T13:08:15.780-07:002013-05-26T13:08:15.780-07:00murph... thx for all that detail. it catches us u...murph... thx for all that detail. it catches us up on where the process is. which, after gleaning thru sounds as if the most immediate need right now is for some dry weather. AND an operating fund. or, as casey stengel would say, CASH!<br /><br />that we can help you with. how you feel about it can be worked on later. in the meantime consider it a gift or a loan or whatever you wanna call it. just let us send you some damn cash! ...pAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-48228702332178733822013-05-26T09:55:01.819-07:002013-05-26T09:55:01.819-07:00Palooka,
Yup, keeping stuff out of the weather an...Palooka,<br /><br />Yup, keeping stuff out of the weather and further deterioration is the biggie right now. I have pallets with stuff on them that can possibly be made useful from sifting the ashes. Pallets are covered with tarps, roofing tin and whatever to keep water out or at least minimized. Currently we are in a weather system that says rain for 4 more days. Is also going to hamper the cleanup efforts. Was hoping to finish it this week but the rain may put a damper (chuckle) on doing that. <br /><br />One of the metal storage sheds is salvageable with some roof work and some paint and figuring out what to do about the door way. However, it has to be moved in an effort to make things more convenient and efficient, and that means clearing the area I want to move it to and that is a relatively major project in itself. Plus, the shed to be moved has to also be emptied and salvage separated from now junk. More stuff to get under cover. Harbor freight has a special on where if I buy anything, get a 7 x 9 all weather tarp for free, offer is only on tomorrow. Since it is to be raining and working outside is a real drag, I may take advantage of it. <br /><br />We have a tent that could be put up for temp storage, however, we had it up for some time a few years ago and the UV radiation started to deteriorate it. Plus, no convenient place to put it out of the way. sigh. Security of what is put in it is also a consideration. Only about 2/3 of the property is fenced with limited access. The dogs have warned me of some folks prowling around around 3 in the morning. Caught one in a spotlight and he ran away. Our security light was on the garage and relatively expensive to replace, and no real good area to put it up. We are relatively cash strapped until insurance settlement. <br /><br />Will just have to take it a step at a time I reckon. What we end up doing to rebuild and make a more efficient running place seems to depend on the insurance settlement. <br /><br />I was fairly critical of the previous owners placement of out buildings to begin with. Some of them would be way too expensive to move, and others I just never got around to it. Way too many other projects that were have-to's in our minds. Plus age has made 10-14 hour days of hard work not viable. As it is, 6 hrs of continuous work on the cleanup whips me out. If we had had full coverage on all content replacement at our discretion, it would have been much simpler, just bring in dumpsters and front end loader and be done with it. <br /><br />You can bet that when this cleanup is done and building replacement is established, we will be frequenting yard sales and auctions for replacing stuff. <br /><br />I've already given a bunch of stuff away that I can't feature keeping any longer, Over the last several years we have donated a bunch of "stuff" to organizational fund raising sales. Gradually cutting down the superfluous stuff. One of the problems with our life style is getting rid of stuff. I am loath to offing stuff that I can project a future use of or barter material. Not a modern concept at all. <br /><br />it's all a conundrum for sure.murphnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-5100157045516457022013-05-26T07:10:59.831-07:002013-05-26T07:10:59.831-07:00murph... i hear ya loud and clear. and what i he...murph... i hear ya loud and clear. and what i hear is overwhelm and depression following the initial shock. no wonder. what happened to you guys was shocking and depressing and what you face is overwhelming. the BIIIIIIIG question.... do you have a start on an overall plan yet? i'm guessing no or you'd have some idea by now on what to ask for.<br /><br />there are things the clan could do to help from where we sit. and i'm only aware of some ideas that might be helpful and maybe not. others will have their own about how they might help from where they sit. here's some of mine. take what you need and leave the rest. ...<br /><br />- i have many 2's, 3's, 4's in tools. i know i have stuff you can use. i walk into my shop and see them all lined up on shelves. i stare at them. they stare back. some are happy to be retired cuz they're nearly worn slap out. but others are pinning to go back to work. cuz thats what they do. however, only certain ones would be worth the cost of shipping. but those that are you are welcome to and i'm happy to pay the shipping rather than jump on a plane. ie... i have not 1 but 2 paslode bat/gas framing nailers. the cost to ship relative to cost to buy, even used, is negliable. neither have been out of the shop for years. happy to send you 1. downside is the cost of gas cylinders and nails. only you can make that call. circular saws? i probably have 7 or 8 in working order. thing about it is though, you can probably buy a contractor grade at a yard sale for 25 bucks. likely to cost that to ship.<br /><br />- tools are just one category. all kinda other stuff you lost and have need for that others have and would be willing and happy to send. <br /><br />- ya, i know, no place to put stuff when it gets there eh? okay, what are you doing about temp stg? a field tent seems to me to be a no-brainer answer to that. i recall fa saying you guys have or have access to such? such leaves the freedom to put permanent stg on the back burner for now.<br /><br />- as to the stuff you still have laying around.... liz dabbles in a thing she calls the stuff whisperer. technics designed for organizing spaces. but it could be modified to be specific to a fire clean-up. stuff. in your case this includes stuff to purge, stuff to give away, stuff to replace, stuff to fix, stuff to put here, stuff to put there, stuff that has to stay dry, stuff that can get wet, etc, etc. she's brilliant at it actually. at some point she wants to turn this into a bidness but right now, in midst of heavy, heavy DID therapy, she cannot be functional on a regularly dependable basis to be responsible to clients. but what she could do is guide you guys from here. she's developed templates that can be modified to your situation from which you can move along . how to set it up on paper then how to put it into action. you need a system from which to proceed. she's got one. it takes what's overwhelming and breaks it down into do-able action items that have an order to them. and ever damn thing thats not trash has to be cleaned eh? such would be addressed in the plan.<br /><br />- obviously, we can send you $$ and several here have expressed ability and willingness. this could be used to fund replacements. yard sales and 2nd hand stores can save a fortune. <br /><br />- but, i hear ya, you still need a place to put stuff. so, back to the ? on temp stg. cuz it sur sounds to me like yer at an impass until thats resolved.<br /><br />- project transparency. someone, not me cuz i no jack shit about this but enuf to know such is available for free and do-able... someone makes a site or forum specific to your recovery where we can chatter back and forth. hell, it could be done on facebook!! that would give opportunity for good sams to help as well. <br /><br />i'll shut up now and pass the stick... pAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-19389208884721553722013-05-25T20:40:39.059-07:002013-05-25T20:40:39.059-07:00Called our good food store here and they gave me t...Called our good food store here and they gave me this web site for verifying which brands are not genetically modified. Have not had time to look at it; been running hard today, but I thought that Trout Clan<br />would be interested.non gmo project.org. Hope it helps.seekerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-85930518797250304162013-05-25T20:02:28.496-07:002013-05-25T20:02:28.496-07:00Freeacre; I'm trying to locate an article I r...Freeacre; I'm trying to locate an article I read yesterday, I think, about 800 scientists who wrote a letter to, the United Nations?, I don't know for sure, but the point is, these professionals were in total agreement that a moratorium should be invoked for at least five years on gmo's so that independent scientific research can determine the truth concerning the saftey of these dubious substances, but until I find that link, check this out.<br /><br />http://dailyhealthworldnews.wordpress.com/2013/05/25/seeds-of-death-full-movie-march-against-monsanto-special-gary-null-releases-his-movie-seeds-of-death-for-free-viewing-for-a-limited-time-in-honor-of-the-march-on-may-25/ rockpickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15705284555868707898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-75706308754461822232013-05-25T12:53:46.791-07:002013-05-25T12:53:46.791-07:00oh yes, arthur sibler. i keep forgetting about hi...oh yes, arthur sibler. i keep forgetting about him. he's done considerable investigation into the writings of alice miller and come to the same conclusions i have... alice, in a word, was RIGHT!!<br /><br />but he puts it much better than i. he's a journalist. i'm a shade tree wannabe... pAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-86742700314477241842013-05-25T12:43:32.730-07:002013-05-25T12:43:32.730-07:00“All over the world, in the European Union, in man...“All over the world, in the European Union, in many other countries around the world, dozens and dozens of countries, people are able to look at the food that they are buying and determine through labeling whether or not that product contains genetically modified organisms.”<br /><br />we are above every country in the world so we don't need such trivial but nuisance meddlin tellin our statesmen they have the right to tell us what we can and can't do.<br /><br />as for ok being a prob w/the insc gods, it could be a godsend... they might be so busy as to say, oh fuck it, we got bigger fish to deny... pAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-40070794646567320122013-05-25T10:45:10.008-07:002013-05-25T10:45:10.008-07:00I turned to "Blacklisted News" this morn...I turned to "Blacklisted News" this morning, and was chagrined to learn of the disgusting vote of the Congress regarding a weak attempt to counter Monsanto with tepid legislation. Even that was soundly defeated.<br /> "Senate Shoots Down GMO Labeling Bill<br />May 25, 2013<br />Print Version<br /><br />Elizabeth Renter<br />Natural Society<br /><br />In yet another showing of their lack of concern towards the people who give them their jobs, Senators in Washington D.C. voted against a key GMO labeling amendment to the Farm bill. One that would have allowed states to decide to label the presence of genetically modified ingredients in food products.<br /><br />They didn’t just vote it down, they did it overwhelmingly: 71 to 27. Let’s be clear—this wasn’t a bill that would have mandated the labeling of foods with genetically modified ingredients. No, it was far less provocative. This measure would have simply said it was okay for states to decide to do that for themselves.<br /><br /> “The concept we’re talking about today is a fairly commonsense and non-radical idea,” said the amendment’s sponsor, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) according to the Huffington Post. “All over the world, in the European Union, in many other countries around the world, dozens and dozens of countries, people are able to look at the food that they are buying and determine through labeling whether or not that product contains genetically modified organisms.”<br /><br />Vermont and more-recently Connecticut have both decided to label foods in their state. But they are concerned big-wigs like Monsanto will sue, particularly in light of this failure of a decision in the Senate.<br /><br />One of the many senators who voted against what would seem to be commonsense and non-radical, Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.) says that labeling GMO foods runs counter to what we “know” about them. This knowledge, she says, is that GMO foods are safe, no more dangerous than their “conventional counterparts.”<br /><br />Apparently ignoring any of the research that runs to the contrary of that being put out by Monsanto-supporters, Sen. Stabenow talks about GMO crops as if they are the answer to the world’s prayers. That they are able to “resist crop diseases and improve nutritional content.” Stabenow and others like her must be getting their briefs directly from those within Monsanto itself.<br /><br />Even more telling about where her (and others like her) allegiances lie, Stabenow said labeling GMO ingredients would “interfere with the FDA’s science-based process to determine what food labeling is necessary for consumers.” In other words, if it doesn’t come from Monsanto or the FDA, she doesn’t want to hear it.<br /><br />She doesn’t want to hear about the study that showed GMO-fed rats developed mass tumors and died premature deaths. Senators like her don’t seem to care that research has shown GMO corn to be a contributor to the obesity epidemic. Apparently, studies linking GMO crops to lung damage, cancer, organ damage, and immune suppression aren’t “good enough” for the FDA, so they aren’t “good enough” for lawmakers.<br /><br />The fact is, most processed foods on our store shelves contain GMO ingredients (usually corn or soy). Another fact, most conscientious consumers would like to know which foods are safe and which are not. But, with their decision to not grant states the right to decide for themselves, lawmakers have shown us (once again) where their loyalties lie."<br /><br />I think we should send our Congress shills knee-pads so they can suck the corporate cock even more comfortably. Sorry to be so vulgar, but I am feeling grumpy.<br /><br />Charles and Nina - Thanks, you guys. Good counsel regarding resistance to the insurance company. We should know next week just how badly they will try to fuck us over. Probably doesn't help that they will have so many more claims to deal with now that OK tornadoes have hit. Jeez.freeacrenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-1700529744793362282013-05-25T10:30:54.794-07:002013-05-25T10:30:54.794-07:00As a person who manages her household of animals a...As a person who manages her household of animals and child on app.1200 dineros per month, I can certainly understand that psychological sadism could occur from the well intentioned(maybe) privileged class.I know that life is what you earn.If you have to tote all of your water, you have a much better understanding and appreciation of it than if you have always had it brought to you on a silver platter. I will look into his writings. Thank you for the heads up sats. SeekerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-36819642844512792652013-05-25T09:15:00.571-07:002013-05-25T09:15:00.571-07:00SATS
Seeker, when I read your comment and first c...SATS<br /><br />Seeker, when I read your comment and first came across the term electronic Cajon I imagined it might be a resident of Louisiana that lights up in the dark but now I realise that I was mistaken – yet again :-) <br /><br />However, that aside and quickly moving on, I know Arthur Silber is not to everybody's taste although many of mine and his views run along parallel lines. His latest piece combines yellow journalism, although he doesn't call it that, with a slice of how to read news articles which Gd recently alluded to. This time it on how well meaning sharing of experiences by privileged people can result in psychological sadism for the less than privileged .<br /><br />http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.be/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-62392634068239881802013-05-25T08:55:22.476-07:002013-05-25T08:55:22.476-07:00http://beforeitsnews.com/protests-demonstrations/2...http://beforeitsnews.com/protests-demonstrations/2013/05/march-against-monsanto-live-stream-2450612.htmlrockpickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15705284555868707898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-7204642690142276802013-05-25T08:54:53.305-07:002013-05-25T08:54:53.305-07:00Nina and Palooka,
I got the message loud and clea...Nina and Palooka,<br /><br />I got the message loud and clear. At this time, I've no idea what to even ask for unless somebody has a spare $50 grand laying around you don't have a use for. I can't replace tools because I have absolutely no place presently to put them out of the weather. As it is, I have pallets in a couple of locations with salvageable tools on them covered with tarps. Until I get another building up, (currently in question) and places to stash stuff, I can't do a thing. Every single power tool I had was destroyed. If/when a building is put up, then have to do a complete wiring job from the main distribution point to the building. I'm going to be doing good to have this stuff done by winter it looks like. <br /><br />Most of the folks from the Trout Clan live far enough away and have enough of their own hassles that I haven't any idea of what to ask for help on. Hell, if you all just packed up and came here, there is no place to put you up. <br /><br />I most surely do appreciate your offers. I just don't see how to take advantage of it at this time. murphnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-70399903332796537032013-05-25T08:25:57.084-07:002013-05-25T08:25:57.084-07:00i'll 3rd behind nina's 2nd. so, do it dam...i'll 3rd behind nina's 2nd. so, do it damn it!!<br /><br />and... i finally found out what happened to those 2 posts i asked you guys about. they posted to the prev thread cuz i'd gone there to capture what i'd said in my first response after hearing about the fire. <br /><br />just went there again for the same purpose cuz i wanted to extend the offer i'd made in one of those comments. <br /><br /><br />to put it another way... i'd forgotten where i was and posted to that thread instead of this one. it can be read there as the 2nd to last comment... p<br /><br />and.... the offer stands!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-50409498281106541722013-05-24T20:48:08.179-07:002013-05-24T20:48:08.179-07:00I reiterate what Charles said. Please let us know...I reiterate what Charles said. Please let us know what you need, I will put up a list and a figure to aim towards on my blog. Who knows who responds? And yet, I have done it before for others and good things came of it from the most surprising sources. And I've sent stuff too, it makes everybody feel good. The best days of our lives are those with which we have an opportunity to be generous.<br /><br />So send the list, Dude and Dudette. I shall be expecting your communique when you get it together.<br /><br />oneloveninahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16359122650046678312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-90592793795315740632013-05-24T18:44:25.470-07:002013-05-24T18:44:25.470-07:00S'more yella journalism fer ya...
http://www....S'more yella journalism fer ya...<br /><br />http://www.examiner.com/article/banking-insider-deutsche-bank-danger-zone-and-will-go-belly-uprockpickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15705284555868707898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-85190169426997695442013-05-24T18:30:23.992-07:002013-05-24T18:30:23.992-07:00http://worldtruth.tv/gmo-labeling-bill-voted-down-...http://worldtruth.tv/gmo-labeling-bill-voted-down-in-senate/<br /><br />Fuck them!rockpickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15705284555868707898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-80289304067522402242013-05-24T15:40:57.704-07:002013-05-24T15:40:57.704-07:00Electronic Cajon is a worried mother,in the middle...Electronic Cajon is a worried mother,in the middle of an anxiety attack,on a 15 minute work break, trying to spell the city of El Cajon, and having this maverick device,going off into left field.<br />Yellow Journalism is sensationalistic, hysterical reporting, designed to lather up its readers. It was printed on the cheapest paper around, usually of a yellowish hue. Thus, the moniker. Thank you,for the information and web sites. I appreciate your help.<br />Sats, I did know what the Richter scale was but did not know how it was calibrated. I always like learning new things.<br />Thank you you both.seekerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-88473099837863992362013-05-24T14:39:00.129-07:002013-05-24T14:39:00.129-07:00Seeker; Here's another useful site.
http://u...Seeker; Here's another useful site.<br /><br />http://urbansurvival.com/week.htmrockpickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15705284555868707898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-41160508870259025122013-05-24T14:07:32.912-07:002013-05-24T14:07:32.912-07:00SATS
Seeker:
Here is something about the Califor...SATS<br /><br />Seeker:<br /><br />Here is something about the California quake:<br /><br />http://earthquake-report.com/2013/05/24/strong-earthquake-northern-california-on-may-24-2013-2/<br /><br />All the big ones are happening around the Sea of Okhotsk at the moment, that is around the Siberian Shelf at the very top of the Pacific. <br /><br />seven between M6 – M7 followed by an M8.2<br /><br />http://earthquake-report.com/2013/05/24/earthquakes-in-the-world-on-may-24-2013-m4-5-or-more/<br /><br />Forgive me if I am telling you something you already know but the Richter scale is logarithmic and open ended (no upper limit, it doesn't stop at 10). This means that for example an M5 is 10 times stronger than an M4; an M6 is 10 times stronger than an M5 and 100 times stronger than an M4; an M7 is 1000 times stronger than an M4 and so on. Hope this helps.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-49980641917923262112013-05-24T13:36:39.988-07:002013-05-24T13:36:39.988-07:00SATS
Thanks for that rp.:)
Btw it's a kind o...SATS<br /><br />Thanks for that rp.:)<br /><br />Btw it's a kind of drum<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0NVB-Yt3gE<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-67719927864732791952013-05-24T13:32:50.860-07:002013-05-24T13:32:50.860-07:00SATS; Yellow journalism is what's spread out ...SATS; Yellow journalism is what's spread out under the litter box on the back porch, isn't it?<br /><br />Seeker; Here's a link to an article about the quake in Sacramento last night, with a california eq map.<br /><br />http://beforeitsnews.com/earthquakes/2013/05/huge-earthquake-right-now-in-sacramento-california-huge-2460218.htmlrockpickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15705284555868707898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-39149516667707738932013-05-24T13:27:42.405-07:002013-05-24T13:27:42.405-07:00SATS
Hey seeker, you are giving me an education h...SATS<br /><br />Hey seeker, you are giving me an education here. In one post I have had to look up yellow journalism and electric cajon. They say you are never too old to learn but I definitely feel I am going mouldy here :-)<br /><br />Hope everyone is okay. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com