tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post6346052072444655203..comments2024-03-07T00:40:45.585-08:00Comments on Trout Clan Campfire: Rough Weekmurph & freeacrehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10278932450332333778noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-15470828516884971932010-02-26T12:51:14.713-08:002010-02-26T12:51:14.713-08:00Larissa here~~
wow. How did I miss this post? 8^...Larissa here~~<br /><br />wow. How did I miss this post? 8^o<br /><br />It goes without saying I agree with you. I also agree that this year is most likely when the final breakdown begins. I could be wrong, naturally-- as delusion could sustain the status quo a few months longer than that-- but it's doubtful.<br /><br />Nods as well to the idea that by the time they have to call out the goon squads, it'll be over for them. The Great American Empire falls at last. <br /><br />Not that I'm looking forward to it. It's going to hurt a lot of people. Things will never be the same. We built paradise and then shit all over it, to fall back into the simpler technologies of our past. <br /><br />What a waste. We're going to lose everything, and those of us who understand this will not be heard. By the time enough people get it, it'll already be too late. (Hell, it's too late now, but the more time we have to prepare the less of a hell we have to go through.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-86834308555663776452010-02-25T09:43:18.685-08:002010-02-25T09:43:18.685-08:00... lol. Well, it seems the gigantic magnetic fila...... lol. Well, it seems the gigantic magnetic filament has popped. They say they don't know which way the rays are headed, but if it does come our way, it should arrive on the 27th or 28th. Can you say, "surge protector"?freeacrenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-60973490291137345412010-02-25T08:31:52.169-08:002010-02-25T08:31:52.169-08:00I went to space weather to understand the origin o...I went to space weather to understand the origin of the image artifacts, but found there was too much defraction on my occulter stem.<br />Yeah, that was it. Way too much defraction, coupled with bad cosmic ray detection.rockpickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15705284555868707898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-52036300668246307622010-02-24T17:39:25.040-08:002010-02-24T17:39:25.040-08:00In reference to our discussing this Joe Stack inci...In reference to our discussing this Joe Stack incident, and his flying a plane into the IRS building, this evening in my e-mail I get a solicitation for the services of a private jet, on call within 24 hours. <br /><br />Never got one of those before, and the timing makes one wonder. So is it Homeland Security looking for a fool, or just a coincidence? No worries Freeacre and Murph, I won't be declaring war on the PTB on your blog, and I seriously doubt that anyone else here is dim enough to do that either.<br /><br />But on the other hand, its clear that with the way things are going, with the massive shafting thats been doled out to the US general population, its highly likely in my opinion that increasing social disruptions and violence will be part of the landscape of events before us. Thats reality.Hotspringswizardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07215356654367335612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-50277854055035172572010-02-24T00:19:01.225-08:002010-02-24T00:19:01.225-08:00Great to hear from you, Stoney! Glad you got the o...Great to hear from you, Stoney! Glad you got the old girl running! Would that be an auto that could run even if the sun puts out a major solar flare and knocks out the electrical system? I'm wondering because on spaceweather.com, there are pictures of a mega-huge magnetic "filament" that is like a million miles or something long that could prove to be very eventful...<br /><br />And, that link, Rockpicker, to the article about the thousand architects who are demanding a grand jury to investigate the impossible powdering of Building 7 is very exciting. Could see why Cheney landed in the hospital... Boy, things seem to be coming to a head right now on every level.<br /><br />Oh, yeah... I know we are all kicking around the events and how to respond to things, etc. But, if anyone decides that now is the time to go for armed struggle or anything, DO NOT announce it on this blog. If you do want to discuss it on a blog, perhaps you should create your own blog. You know what I mean? Just sayin'....<br /><br />Murph and I took a nap this afternoon and I had a cool dream that I thought I'd share with you guys. I can't remember the details as to why we were at the Columbia Gorge, but there we were. And, Murph was telling me to watch for these "spiney whales." He said they were really cool. So, I am looking in the water for them and I see that this concrete and wire barrier has been laid across the river to stop anything from coming across. Then I see these amazing, huge whales coming in pairs toward the barrier. They are long and wide - all bulked up like a rhinoceros or a armor-clad pre-historic animal, but still long and fast. As they approach the barrier, they raced faster and faster, and then they JUMPED right over it, no problem! It was real thrilling to watch and I woke up. Been feeling much happier ever since.freeacrenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-16331022783091579602010-02-23T23:36:18.329-08:002010-02-23T23:36:18.329-08:00I agree with you, Hot Springs. War is war. I did...I agree with you, Hot Springs. War is war. I didn't declare it. Nor did I want it.<br /><br />The Elite declared this one on the working classes, and they appear to be deadly earnest. Their tactics may be camouflaged with civility and 'the law,' but the laws they so brutally enforce are of their own design, enacted by their owned lackeys.<br /><br />We have no say. Our representatives long ago switched their head phones off the public channel. <br /><br />They provide us a free speech zone on a treeless bench, where we may shout our grievances through razor-topped fence to an indifferent wind.<br /><br />Innocent people die every day. <br /><br />Their spirits hang in lower Manhattan and Gaza, waiting to hear their killers named.<br /><br />Who will mourn the dispossessed under bridges? And who approved this apportionment of pain?<br /><br />Sometimes thugs get broken noses. <br /><br />Get your weird-shit-o-meters out.<br /><br />http://ofgoatsandmen.blogspot.com/2010/02/joseph-andrew-stack-had-911-nsa-cia-and.htmlrockpickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15705284555868707898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-13274397992953878232010-02-23T22:42:16.190-08:002010-02-23T22:42:16.190-08:00And on the other hand, we may just as well continu...And on the other hand, we may just as well continue to swirl down the toilet bowl, no matter what course of action we collectively decide on, considering that there are so many dire things converging at once. Here is an article that discusses another piece of the ongoing mayhem that is our worsening economy:<br /><br />http://blacklistednews.com/news-7472-0-13-13--.html<br /><br />FDIC Opens A Massive New Office Near Chicago Just To Handle The Coming Tidal Wave Of Midwest Bank Closings They Are Expecting<br /><br />Is the Midwest about to see a massive wave of bank closings? That is apparently what the FDIC is expecting. The FDIC is opening up a massive new satellite office in the Chicago area that will be dedicated to managing receiverships and liquidating assets from failed Midwest banks. This new facility will occupy 7 floors in an 11 floor building. The office space that the FDIC is leasing is well over 100,000 square feet and will employ approximately 500 temporary employees and contractors. This is a huge expenditure by the FDIC. So will there really be so many bank failures over the next couple of years in the Midwest that a 100,000 square foot facility is required to deal with it? <br /><br />Apparently someone at the FDIC thinks so.........Hotspringswizardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07215356654367335612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-22551065576342511432010-02-23T21:42:01.367-08:002010-02-23T21:42:01.367-08:00Like in all of the economic bullshit that is discu...Like in all of the economic bullshit that is discussed in Matt Taibbi's latest piece, who that is involved with any of it ( countless people ) could be considered innocent of the fact that they are actively involved in massively ripping people off.<br /><br />The IRS is a completely fraudulent system who purpose is to transfer in illegal fashion wealth from the working class to the elites. A gargantuan system of smoke and mirror, lies and deceptions are created to enable this huge scam. So who within this humungous fraudulent system is really innocent? <br /><br />The IRS ( like many of the other myriad systems that bleed the poor of their wealth ) is like a gigantic Octopus gripping its victim. How do we ever wrestle ourselves free? Its clear that these many systems ( Octipi ) that are bringing much of the mayhem to this world will never let go of their own accord. <br /><br />I think its true that in most cases the people being affected can not get to the source of the behemouth's strength, the body and head of the beast ( those who hold the highest power within the systems ). But we do have the capacity because of our vast numbers to start taking little chunks out of the tentacles. <br /><br />Like millions upon millions of little Pirahna bits we can eat away at the arms of the beast to the extent that it will eventually have to let go. <br /><br />These bites are the many ways one can bring " force " to issues such as these. One form would be to remove yourself, through your lifestyle, from dependency on what the beast offers. Develop and learn to appreciate a simple lifestyle ( very differant from what these fraudulent systems want you to live ). There are a vast variety of ways to apply force to create the change we seek. And the PTB will be doing everything within their corrupt power to keep pushing you and your children, and their children's children, etc, etc, down, as they raise themselves further to the giddy heights of sickening excess and greed. <br /><br />Concrete actions are whats going to count in all of this. Joe Stack struck out at the construct of the IRS, a monster that is fraudulently pillaging vast numbers of people, destroying their lives in many, many cases. <br /><br />Look at history. You will never take down these massively corrupt systems by playing nice, writting your congressman, sending letters, going down to the corner with your protest signs, saying I'll turn the other cheek and let you smack me again because that would be the humble thing to do. <br /><br />In all great change innocents die, its very unfortunate, but there will be no great transformations to remove the shackles of the corrupt on those who they prey on, in a way where " only " those who are not " innocent " are the only ones affected.<br /><br />Its all very complicated of course. The choices before us on just what we should do will be very hard to make. As collapse deepens the growing problems on so many fronts will force us to decide our course before we feel we are fully ready. This is a main reason I try to learn as much as I can ( if the internet goes down this will be much harder ), try to consider many people's points of view, so hopefully I will make intelligent and well thought out decisions on how I will proceed, what path of action I will choose to address the many challenges happening to me now, and those of my future. Of course its what we collectively decide to do that will shape our future in the end.Hotspringswizardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07215356654367335612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-19055137749060576832010-02-23T21:39:40.394-08:002010-02-23T21:39:40.394-08:00Matt Taibbi nails it again in his latest:
http://...Matt Taibbi nails it again in his latest:<br /><br />http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/32255149/wall_streets_bailout_hustle/print<br /><br />Wall Street's Bailout Hustle <br /><br />Goldman Sachs and other big banks aren't just pocketing the trillions we gave them to rescue the economy - they're re-creating the conditions for another crash....<br /><br />I've been thinking alot about people's comments regarding the Joe Stack incident, citing that it was wrong because " innocent " people got killed or injured. <br /><br />With the rampant fraud, corruption, deception, evil deeds, raping and pillaging of every manner and sort that goes on in human constructs like Wall Street, in the Bankster Casinos, in the halls of High Finance, in the Military Industrial Complex, completely engulfing our political system, throughout the nations medical system, etc, etc, etc, just who within these systems can reasonably be called innocent, and who is guilty. <br /><br />There exist all manner of levels of involvement within these systems, from the highest in power down to the the lowly minions. How does one decide just who is to be held to account for the carnage that these various systems wreak, usually at the expense of the have nots, by those who wield great power and advantage that is in most cases ill gotten.<br /><br />For example, the US is now occupying Iraq after having started a conflict there based on a complete fraud, and has destroyed much of thats countries infrastructure, killed many hundreds of thousands of Iraqi innocents as well as shattering the lives of their extended families, brought great environmental degredation, and on and on.<br /><br />Now an Iraqi man stands holding his daughters brains that have been blasted out of her head by some US soldier ( or Blackwater Mercenary ), he and her just being innocent bystanders targeted for reasons that have absolutely no merit. <br /><br />Who should this man hold to account for what has happened? Should the very soldier who fired the shot be given a pass, should he be considered " innocent " merely because he simply is a " worker " within the greater corrupt system. If so who then above him should receive the blame, the Leutinent, the Captain, the General, the Military Commander in charge, the President of the US?<br /><br />Doesn't everyone involved in the system have a responsibility to not do the things that are so blatently and clearly wrong, to do whatever is within their capacity to remove themselves from that corrupt system, to not participate?<br /><br />continuedHotspringswizardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07215356654367335612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-84847063889215831162010-02-23T15:48:46.045-08:002010-02-23T15:48:46.045-08:00Hey Stoney, good to hear from you.
Maybe this is ...Hey Stoney, good to hear from you.<br /><br />Maybe this is why Cheney was panicking over the weekend.<br /><br />http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/feb/22/inside-the-beltway-70128635/?feat=home_columnsrockpickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15705284555868707898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-40857959732094709122010-02-23T09:59:02.743-08:002010-02-23T09:59:02.743-08:00Hi all,
Been working on the old '83 Ford Van ...Hi all,<br /><br />Been working on the old '83 Ford Van for a while. Got the old girl running again. Rewired half the interior, and rebuilt the entire fuel system. Alternator comes in tomorrow, and then she'll be fit for duty!<br /><br />Took a break to check in at The Campfire. That Stack Attack was some thoroughly heinous shit! Sure he had a legitimate beef with the IRS, but you don't go snakeshit, burn your house, fly airplanes into buildings, and kill people because the IRS gave you the shaft! The IRS gives us ALL the shaft! Sure we need to do something about it, but our government isn't scared of us any more!<br /><br />Want an example? Alright! I'll give you one! Right now over 55% of Americans want marijuana legalized across the board, and 87% want it legalized for medical purposes. Not only that, but billions could be raised if it were taxed, and billions more saved if it was taken of off the polices little list of things to do.<br /><br />With all these good reasons to legalize, and none to continue the failed policies of the past, you would think that Congresspeople would be climbing over themselves to get the legislation on the floor to do just that! <br /><br />Want to know why they're not? Alright. I can do that. See there's this big government bureaucracy called the DEA that is full of all sorts of buzz kill types that want to kill your buzz! <br /><br />They get fat money from keeping marijuana illegal, and they are going to go to any means, and tell any lie to accomplish that very thing! <br /><br />It doesn't matter that keeping marijuana is the wrong thing to do, because bureaucracies exist to serve no one but themselves! They don't care about you, they don't care about me, they only care about what is good for them! Marijuana is their cash cow! They are no more willing to send it to slaughter than they are to jumping into a brush chipper!<br /><br />They also have something else going for them! They know that the highly pissed off citizenry with pitchforks and torches scenario, will probably never happen!<br /><br />Well here's a little trick to beat them at their own game! When you are called to jury duty, and you disagree with the law the defendant is being adjudicated on, HANG THAT SUCKER!!! That's right! It's time to employ that good old stand by called "Jury Nullification"! That's what REALLY did away with Prohibition! It's also the reason for the old "Untouchables" radio show to try to drum up support for Prohibition, because the jurors at the time would sit quietly and listen to all the evidence against the defendant, then quietly go back to the jury room, and vote him not guilty! They could not get convictions on Prohibition cases, so the police, and prosecutors started avoiding them. Finally Roosevelt came along and did away with it! <br /><br />What nobody understands, or seems to have forgotten, is at the end of the day, WE THE PEOPLE have the final say as to who goes to prison in this country! If we as jurors refuse to convict, then the cell goes empty, and these types of cases get fewer, and fewer!stoney13https://www.blogger.com/profile/04516695387985047832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-31404596490980682172010-02-23T07:12:41.098-08:002010-02-23T07:12:41.098-08:00For more insight on the IRS controversy, check thi...For more insight on the IRS controversy, check this out.<br /><br />http://www.rense.com/general89/cartel.htmrockpickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15705284555868707898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-67558075237251338592010-02-22T20:13:26.748-08:002010-02-22T20:13:26.748-08:00I'm back from the " mini " geo-engin...I'm back from the " mini " geo-engineering protest that my brother, his friends and other interested parties did in front of the San Diego Convention Center. No dramas, no micro wave weapons and I don't recall even seeing a police man anywhere around the protesters :-) <br /><br />My brother got a press pass and attended the conference with the main geo-engineering scientist speaking. He did get an opportunity to ask a few questions about what testing they had done regarding any possible impacts of the aluminum that they would be dispersing with their proposed plan.<br /><br />My brother said the scientist finally admitted that they had not done any testing for this, and the the possible repercussions could be " horrible " or something like that. <br /><br />This exchange was video taped by one of the other protester people who attended the meeting and I'll try and find out if its up on You Tube yet. If so I'll list a link here for how to find it. <br /><br />The protesters set up on a street corner on Harbor Blvd just in front of the convention center. There was some people speaking including my brother and his freind Mauro who created the geoengineeringwatch.org website, as well as some other folks. <br /><br />Had a nice visit with my bro and also got to visit my wifes three brothers who live down there too. One of the brothers lives on a sailboat in the harbor near Sea Port Village and we had a nice sail out in the bay on Sunday under blue skies and big white puffy clouds :-)Hotspringswizardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07215356654367335612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-40299842665622633442010-02-22T19:20:47.823-08:002010-02-22T19:20:47.823-08:00If you haven't seen some recent articles at: h...If you haven't seen some recent articles at: https://www.adbusters.org/magazine/88/chris-hedges.html<br />they are worth reading. <br /><br />Matt Taibi has a new rant out in Rolling Stone mag. As usual, it is a great article. Latoc has a link to it as well as Cryptagon.murphnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-86295197881047939492010-02-22T19:14:13.775-08:002010-02-22T19:14:13.775-08:00P.S. Freeacre I hope you don't mind I loved yo...P.S. Freeacre I hope you don't mind I loved your suggested link so much I made a post of it at the mom's blog and mentioned the Trout Clan as well. x, mrs pAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-43576725798525557172010-02-22T15:35:01.865-08:002010-02-22T15:35:01.865-08:00RE: IRS attack: The drama that unfolds from swing...RE: IRS attack: The drama that unfolds from swinging pendulums is in part the responsibility of the pendulum swingers. However I do not condone any acts that hurt innocent people who are just trying to keep a job that puts food on the table. We all have to work somewhere, somehow, when we work. Can you blame the landlord if your job sucks..no. These thoughtless, UNCONSCIOUS acts are a byproduct of insanty that we certainly have plenty of these days but most definately do not fix the problem and never will. Beautiful & Loverly words from Rockpicker by the way. mrspmrs phttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01275668463785789879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-72967588425221294542010-02-22T12:39:24.236-08:002010-02-22T12:39:24.236-08:00Found this just now on Quayle:
http://www.infowar...Found this just now on Quayle:<br /><br />http://www.infowars.com/eyewitness-hazmat-teams-in-place-before-plane-crash/<br /><br />comment:<br /><br />"Timed just right Reply:<br />February 19th, 2010 at 4:25 am<br /><br />the pilot flew into that building so that they could find out who he was, find his “manifesto”, link him to his house on fire, a “stolen aircraft”, and the “tea party” movement – all in record time -mere hours<br /><br />somehow – the authorities were able to pull what was left of the guy’s body from a mess of obliterated burning airplane and concrete building, find his ID (somehow intact and not burning -of course he carried all is IDs on his last day), verify that the ID match the DNA of the unrecognizable body found in the wreckage, go on to find his “manifesto”, which authorities are 100% certain belongs to the obliterated body in the wreckage …<br /><br />in time for all major media to research, write, broadcast, print, post on internet – just in time for prime time!<br /><br />yeah – right.<br /><br />interesting how these terrorists always do their plane crashing first thing in the morning – to better fit the day’s “news” cycles!"rockpickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15705284555868707898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-41182911943462705352010-02-21T11:21:45.774-08:002010-02-21T11:21:45.774-08:00Ras,
I seem to mostly be over this flu bug, but s...Ras,<br /><br />I seem to mostly be over this flu bug, but still have minor signs that it is not completely gone. Over the years I have found that certain body signs indicate I am fighting off something invasive. Chapped lips, gums and teeth not feeling right, a type of fatigue are some of the signs. I still have those signs but to a lesser extent. So, we shall see.murphnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-47470847697374566272010-02-21T05:03:37.791-08:002010-02-21T05:03:37.791-08:00If Joe Stack had done that in the middle of the ni...If Joe Stack had done that in the middle of the night and not killed anyone I would be more behind his actions. As I said before, I wasn't surprised. I've been wondering when it would happen. <br /><br />For the last three or four weeks now we've had someone snap in such a public fashion that it's made the national news. How many more people have snapped in the past month and just taken it out on themselves or their families? We have definitely entered the next phase of collapse.<br /><br />And check this out: now you have to pay for 911 calls in this town in California.<br />http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/2/20/838884/-Residents-of-CA-city-must-pay-for-911-calls-now.<br /><br />fa, give me a week or so and I'll get that post to you. How's murph?RASnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-33622950002364853562010-02-21T00:33:21.936-08:002010-02-21T00:33:21.936-08:00It seems it is time for many of us to lose dear fr...It seems it is time for many of us to lose dear friends and family - maybe it is to help us see how much others mean to us, to give us something to fight for when the time comes. But then I really don't want to fight; I don't want to hide, either - I just want to show everyone I meet how easy it is to love and support one another, our communities, our world.<br /><br />As for Joe Stack: the comments I read on HuffPost were split between sympathy and some interesting judgments of the choices he made when dealing with the IRS. I personally identified with his feeling of powerlessness, due to the inability for 99.9% of citizens (including accountants) to understand tax laws. I would never have chosen to end my life in such a violent and destructive way, but somewhere, deep down, in a place I usually prefer not to acknowledge, I understand.<br /><br />The quote from Yeats' "The Second Coming" has been thrown around a lot lately, but it rings true in these times. "Things fall apart; the center cannot hold;" It keeps banging around in my brain. I feel like we are so close to something enormous, and even though I don't know if we're ready for it, I wish it would just happen...SingColleennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-57030183642382199212010-02-20T19:24:42.858-08:002010-02-20T19:24:42.858-08:00I think there are spiritual, mental, physical, and...I think there are spiritual, mental, physical, and emotional aspects of ourselves that should not be denied. Being non-judgmental and forgiving are good, and important. But, when an infant cries, the mother lactates. It's an automatic response, and a life preserving one. And, when the child is threatened, the parent uses his or her superior power to protect the child - even unto death. I consider that a part of honoring the incarnation into which you are born. A mature adult, it seems to me, also has the obligation, or duty to use their might to not bully, but to protect their friends, family, and community. To only extend understanding or forgiveness when your child or neighbor is being harmed is being part of the problem, not the solution, it seems to me.<br /> Now, there are some who are by nature more the warrior types, and some more teachers or healers or parents, or whatever. I think we just need to know who we are and be as much of it as we can.freeacrenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-81983365491430146602010-02-20T16:43:24.520-08:002010-02-20T16:43:24.520-08:00The american Jihadist Joe Stack (1956-2010)—R.I.P....The american Jihadist Joe Stack (1956-2010)—R.I.P.baz reconhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10082979204179726297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-9017109805136570422010-02-20T14:52:53.431-08:002010-02-20T14:52:53.431-08:00I tell you one thing – if you want peace of mind, ...I tell you one thing – if you want peace of mind, do not find fault with others. Rather learn to see your own faults. Learn to make the whole world your own. No one is a stranger, my child; this whole world is your own.<br />– Sri Sarada Devi<br /><br />When we get even the slightest glimpse of the unity of life, we realize that in tearing others down we are tearing ourselves down too. When you sit in judgment on other people and countries and races, you’re training your mind to sit in judgment on yourself. As we forgive others, we are teaching the mind to respond with forgiveness everywhere, even to the misdeeds and mistakes of our own past.<br /><br />From Words to Live By by Eknath Easwaran | www.easwaran.org<br /><br />Scrap WoodAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-27809673457790031492010-02-20T13:20:24.578-08:002010-02-20T13:20:24.578-08:00I continue to be haunted by the thought of Joe Sta...I continue to be haunted by the thought of Joe Stack's action against the IRS. When I first heard of it, I thought, "Well, the IRS must have fucked over the wrong guy!" and I was quite appreciative. Then I learned of the people who were burned and injured in the building. I could allow my antipathy toward the IRS to dominate my feelings and dismiss the injured as "collateral damage." But, after considering it, I think I would be wrong.<br /> The world gives it's respect to those who are willing to die for what they believe in. Gandhi, Martin Luther King, and Tich Nat Hahn all led movements for liberation where people got killed. Tich Nat Hann was awarded a Nobel Peace Prize for leading the effort of Buddhist priests in Vietnam to end the war by setting themselves on fire. But, that's the difference between them and Joe Stack. They didn't kill anyone else but themselves.<br /> If he had gone to the steps of the IRS and blown his brains out to demonstrate that he couldn't live with their intolerable policies any longer, it would have been a clear message of anguish that would have been staggeringly compelling. But to burn down the home of his wife and child and inflict pain and suffering on others was the act of a "disturbed individual" that is too easily dismissed. Plus, it's just wrong.<br /> I sympathize with Joe Stack and all others who are tormented by the IRS. I support actions against property. But, I believe that the only person I have a right to kill in protest is myself. <br /> But, then, one can think of other scenarios: like what if I was in a room with Adolf Hitler during WWII? Would it be wrong to kill him? I think not. What if I were in a room with someone who had molested my child? Would I kill him? In a heartbeat, probably. Shit, I don't know. Sometimes it seems you go with your gut, and other times I'm looking at myself from a higher perspective and thinking that I am only here to forgive.<br />... Tilt.freeacrenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-88049719972208021412010-02-20T13:17:41.586-08:002010-02-20T13:17:41.586-08:00Angela,
Where in Montana are you located?Angela,<br /><br />Where in Montana are you located?murphnoreply@blogger.com