tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post6356711629110739521..comments2024-03-07T00:40:45.585-08:00Comments on Trout Clan Campfire: The Times Call for Jedi Warriorsmurph & freeacrehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10278932450332333778noreply@blogger.comBlogger54125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-41164834274406303012012-12-07T23:04:45.237-08:002012-12-07T23:04:45.237-08:00It isn't only about them liking you, they need...It isn't only about them liking you, they need to be a good fit for you, as well. Before choosing to take them to a nursing home, make sure you pick the right facility for them. There are feedback sheets and many hospitals want to know how their nurses are performing the unspoken duties of caring for patients. Any resident, at any time, has the right to refuse anything.Myershcuohttp://suwon.gsis.sc.kr/groups/gsispicturesvideos/wiki/582c0/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-50348731998040058082009-11-23T20:32:43.067-08:002009-11-23T20:32:43.067-08:00Murph, I have not seen articles that discuss the U...Murph, I have not seen articles that discuss the UN taking over the task of disarming the public.<br /><br />With all that amunition and weapons being stocked up on by the populace, I think it does not bode well for the the scenario were considering of severe economic times with its consequent serious social stress.Hotspringswizardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07215356654367335612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-5509021917987690372009-11-22T00:24:01.831-08:002009-11-22T00:24:01.831-08:00Welcome, Sales! I think there is an important type...Welcome, Sales! I think there is an important type of shunning the bastards that is very important - like you said, "turn your backs on them" and form alternative systems. Stop looking to them for emotional support. Look to your friends and neighbors. We have set up quite a network here over the years. Started with gifting muffins, breads, produce from the garden, eggs, etc. Neighbors started to reciprocate, and now stuff is traded back and forth like crazy. Joined the Grange as a fraternal organization that is agriculturally based and helps to provide for the working class. Donate to the community kitchen, etc. Write a local column in the little community paper about growing one's own food. All these are working out real well, and I hope will be a real help next year when things get even tougher.We've got a registry at the Grange Hall where anybody who has a service or a business who is open to suggestions of bartering or trading can sign up. Once you accept the idea the we are on our own and can't depend on the govmint to help, we can come up with all sorts of alternatives. It's true, though, that when they come after us with all sorts of intrusive shit, those things are impossible to ignore. But, we can starve the beast by not buying bullshit stuff, paying off credit cards each month so you don't pay credit charges, cancel the cable and the satellite dish, don't shop at Walmart, etc. We need to free ourselves, not wait in vain for anybody to do it for us, most especially politicians.freeacrenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-487975129143853632009-11-22T00:04:42.140-08:002009-11-22T00:04:42.140-08:00Wizard,
Have you been seeing the articles that sa...Wizard,<br /><br />Have you been seeing the articles that say that instead of the U.S. govt disarming the public, they are turning it over to the international groups like the UN? <br /><br />I agree we are setting on a keg of powder,but for how long. I got a feeling that if there was an international organization that pushed for complete disarmament of the public that at least half of the armed citizens would comply. What the other half would do is open for speculation anyway. The armed 'patriots' have been bitching about taking away their guns for many years and threatening rebellion. Ain't seen it yet.murphnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-68159538806432970162009-11-21T23:57:32.988-08:002009-11-21T23:57:32.988-08:00Sales,
Don't recall your name showing up in c...Sales,<br /><br />Don't recall your name showing up in comments here before. Welcome.<br /><br />In principle I agree with your comment. It is a tad tough though to ignore the PTB when your house or car is being repossessed or you haven't enough money to go see a doctor or---- fill in the blank.<br /><br />The problem as I see it with shunning the PTB and not actively opposing them is they then get to do whatever they wish with no opposition at all, and we would pay heavily for that. An absolute autocratic state is no fun at all according to what I am reading. <br /><br />What I see that might work is stopping all consumerism, but there is no way that is going to happen at this time. The society as a whole is not ready to even consider that, and it would create even more problems anyway. <br /><br />My reading of history says that active rebellion is the only way out of being suppressed by any kind of dictatorship or autocratic central government. Protest, or working within the system is obviously not working. The bastards have to be taken out of the power and money circle, every last one of them. <br /><br />When the local government imposes unreasonable taxes on the citizens, shunning them will not make the taxes go away. Neither will it stop enforced chipping, forced inoculations, unreasonable fines or fees, police brutality and property confiscation. And that is just at the local level. <br /><br />I have been insisting for a very long time now that each individual must first understand what is being done to them and the nature of the people doing it. When a significant number of people have this realization, then maybe they will get off the sofa and get active. I have little hope of that coming about though. And while I approve of the shunning as you suggest, it won't change a damned thing.murphnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-36494514073830209392009-11-21T20:54:31.512-08:002009-11-21T20:54:31.512-08:00And this:
15) In the past year, 100 new armed mil...And this:<br /><br />15) In the past year, 100 new armed militia groups have been formed, as militia members have doubled in numbers. Federal authorities are gravely concerned about the “uptick in militia activities." One federal authority recently said, “All it’s lacking is a spark. I think it’s only a matter of time before you see threats and violence."<br /><br />So let’s break down these numbers.<br /><br />You have a population of 50 million people who are in desperate need of money, they most likely have no health insurance and can’t afford to get health care or help of any kind. Part of this population probably also has loved ones who can’t get life sustaining medical treatments, or loved ones who have already died due to lack of costly medical treatment. The clock is ticking loud for these people and they are running out of options fast, and time delayed is time closer to death.<br /><br />While the richest 1 percent have never had it so good, a significant percentage of the U.S. population now has firsthand experience in this. Millions upon millions of Americans are poor, broke, struggling, starving, desperate… and armed.<br /><br />We are sitting on a powder keg!<br /><br />We are now witnessing the critical unraveling of U.S. society.Hotspringswizardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07215356654367335612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-67167384246843039852009-11-21T20:52:37.610-08:002009-11-21T20:52:37.610-08:00Check this article out:
15 Signs American Societ...Check this article out: <br /><br />15 Signs American Society Is Coming Apart at the Seams<br /><br />http://www.alternet.org/workplace/144109/15_signs_american_society_is_coming_apart_at_the_seams?page=entire<br /><br />Here are a few of the points:<br /><br />......As the Senate continues to strip meaningful amendments from a health care bill that wouldn’t even take effect until 2013, it has become clear that, despite the media hype, the health care bill is going to fall far short of meaningful reform and continue to rig the game in favor of large insurance company profits at the expense of the U.S. population. With the highest cost healthcare in the world, current trends will continue and much needed change is not on the horizon.<br /><br />Never before has the United States had so many citizens with so little means, little to no income and heavy debt. Debt and costs of living have now shackled U.S. citizens just as they have shackled people throughout the world. The economic hit men have now hit the United States as well and millions of American citizens are now effectively sentenced to a slow death.<br /><br />Economic Imperial blowback has hit the mainland.<br /><br />And the clock is ticking louder by the day…<br /><br />And here’s two more facts for you:<br /><br />14) The gun and ammunition manufacturing industry in the United States has over 200 companies producing billions of dollars in annual revenues. This huge manufacturing base cannot fulfill demand quickly enough. The demand for guns and ammunition has hit a record high and the gun industry cannot produce enough bullets to keep up with orders.<br /><br />Americans are arming themselves to the teeth!.......Hotspringswizardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07215356654367335612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-18937761854253593812009-11-21T17:52:36.803-08:002009-11-21T17:52:36.803-08:00"Leaders in the capital do not get it."
..."Leaders in the capital do not get it."<br /><br />Hah! Let them eat cake!<br /><br />Politicians do not care about the people. This is a myth that needs to die.<br /><br />Follow the money, it will always lead you to the truth. Who profits from who?<br /><br />If you're going to fling you light saber around, I've got a few names for you. But I suspect that is not what you really had in mind.<br /><br />Ok then. How about this: it's past time for the people to obey, listen or even pretend to hear what Washington is doing. We should just ignore them -- entirely.<br /><br />It's not doing any good -- and never will.<br /><br />We need to setup our own economic model, based upon fair exchange and cooperative communities. The people need to turn their backs (and their support) to the politicians and banksters.<br /><br />Since most of this is considered "illegal" (setting up your own bank for example) and too few are willing to be outlaws, then "money" cannot be used in the traditional sense.<br /><br />But that does not stop barter, or digital credits.<br /><br />We also need our own media sources and news outlets. In addition, a skills bank of members. With these things and few more, we can learn to live without these bastards.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-55236838013082261302009-11-21T12:05:59.993-08:002009-11-21T12:05:59.993-08:00Oh, HSWizard - that was an outstanding quote from ...Oh, HSWizard - that was an outstanding quote from Suzi.freeacrenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-47511190395081848512009-11-21T12:01:59.960-08:002009-11-21T12:01:59.960-08:00... We've got a fire pit, too. May just join y...... We've got a fire pit, too. May just join you with that exercise this year, Montana. Those knuckle-dragging, hate spewing, self-righteous hypocrites. Thanks for sharing the whole quote.<br /><br />Larissa - "Man cannot live on dread alone" LOL! That's a keeper.freeacrenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-74988105753853760222009-11-21T07:22:43.132-08:002009-11-21T07:22:43.132-08:00MF... once again, touche! ..pMF... once again, touche! ..pAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-33396793014875708372009-11-21T05:10:08.900-08:002009-11-21T05:10:08.900-08:00The newest far-right craze is an anti-Obama slogan...The newest far-right craze is an anti-Obama slogan that is making its way onto t-shirts, bumper stickers, mugs, and even teddy bears: “Pray for Obama: Psalm 109:8,” which reads, “Let his days be few; and let another take his office.” The meme is also taking off on Twitter, with conservatives calling it “hilarious.” Commentators have noted that it’s unclear whether the intent is to hope for an end to Obama’s time in office — or an end to his life. But a look at the lines in the rest of the psalm hint at the latter:<br /><br />Let his days be few; and let another take his office.<br />Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow.<br />Let his children be continually vagabonds, and beg: let them seek their bread also out of their desolate places.<br />Let the extortioner catch all that he hath; and let the strangers spoil his labor.<br />Let there be none to extend mercy unto him: neither let there be any to favor his fatherless children.<br />Let his posterity be cut off; and in the generation following let their name be blotted out.<br />Let the iniquity of his fathers be remembered with the LORD; and let not the sin of his mother be blotted out.<br />Let them be before the LORD continually, that he may cut off the memory of them from the earth.<br /><br />now is this not the epitome of so called christian love in practice?<br />i on the other had am not a christian so/<br />i say. at least i am not pretending to have a heart full of love for the bastards/.<br /><br />mother fucking christians, may they all rot in there own created hell.<br />obama is a piss ant and i have always had that opinion but the son of a bitch is a human (i hope) and this garbage out of the piece of shit bible that is probably the greatest scourge that hit the planet really shows its ugly head here don't it?<br /><br />time for the annual bible burning ceremony once again. hey everyone has their little part to play and this and the kids that gather around the thankless fire pit with me for a spirit of cleanse forthcoming for all the evil that has ever manifested itself and seeing its end. we rejoice that a few might be saved from the slow mind death of the ''born again''.<br />guess who?<br />yep you got it <br />fmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-24497728216324591182009-11-20T04:38:33.932-08:002009-11-20T04:38:33.932-08:00YAY FREEACRE!!
I LOVE your phrasing: "lamest...YAY FREEACRE!!<br /><br />I LOVE your phrasing: "lamestream" and "To voters, Republicans are on Mars, Democrats on Venus, while they are suffering on Earth."<br /><br />Amen, Sister.<br /><br />I know what you mean about "preparation fatigue"-- and here's my phrasing for that: Man cannot live on dread alone. <br /><br />Heh! Just thought of that. But its true- if you'll excuse the dated sexism of it. You'll notice my own blog waxes and wanes a bit as I go from "keen eye" to running away to fantasy for awhile as a respite.<br /><br />Loving you, always, Mom! <br /><br />Hmmm-- I need to call you up and have a long talk with you soon. Sometime next week I think, right before Thanksgiving.<br /><br />~~LarissaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-15189173767075232922009-11-19T23:52:38.113-08:002009-11-19T23:52:38.113-08:00Wizard,
I most surely agree with that analysis.Wizard,<br /><br />I most surely agree with that analysis.murphnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-68436643356831794792009-11-19T21:36:41.620-08:002009-11-19T21:36:41.620-08:00Suzies thoughts continued:
That's what corpor...Suzies thoughts continued:<br /><br />That's what corporate fascism feels like to me. Wherever there is mindless social or environmental harm being done anywhere on the planet today, a corporate entity is there. Where human rights are being violated, where the earth is being ravaged and lands are being stolen; where people are being harmed and lives are being lost, where the few are getting richer while the many are getting poorer, where justice is thwarted and injustice thrives, where force rules and war is never ending; a cursed corporate entity is always there, making an obscene profit.<br /> <br />These fake beings are wrongly made human by US law, in the 14th Amendment. The Monsantos, the Dow Chemicals, the Wells Fargos and Citibanks, the Wal Marts, the Lockhheeds and General Electrics of today are America's highly privileged persons enjoying corporate socialism financed by the public, thanks to this bogus 1886 Supreme Court ruling. Having purchased the government, (rather cheaply, all things considered) they use the nation's symbols of freedom and justice as their logos for doing business. But these oddfellow citizens have no allegiance to the nation or its people. None at all.<br /> <br />It is these inordinately privileged nonhuman-humans who are making life altering decisions for us all. About war and the economy. About health care and energy, about global warming and about new laws for the people, to replace the old laws.<br /> <br />It's why we're forced to pay for wars we despise, even fuel them for years to come with our children's lives, because of economic depression brought on by the wanton, uncontrolled avarice and irresponsibility of huge financial corporations. It's why we also subsidize banks too big to fail and now a sick, unjust pro-corporate healthcare-for-profit system through health care "reform".<br /><br />Everything we were writing about in the People's Press, from chemtrails, to clearcutting, to global warming and sexual politics is in some way a reaction to the toxic corporation's omnipresence in human and planetary life and affairs. I believe the biggest challenge humanity faces today is to muster the massive political will to stand up to the corporations and neutralize their power.<br /><br />Lately I have dared to look into the future and ponder the life we will be leaving to the children, if this doesn't happen. Like you, I cannot abide the thought of the painful, catastrophic, sad, violent, hard, dying world we will be leaving to them if something isn't done to bring the dragon down. If we don't, the beast will eat us alive and carry off all our treasures. Every last one. Corporate personhood and the 14th Amendment to the Constitution is the chink in the monster's armour.......Hotspringswizardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07215356654367335612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-80610353562367614812009-11-19T21:35:06.329-08:002009-11-19T21:35:06.329-08:00I saw some video this evening on MSNBC I think whi...I saw some video this evening on MSNBC I think which showed the bright white flash of a very large meteorite in a night time shot with trees in the back ground. Is that the fireball your talking about Freeacre?<br /><br />On another subject, I got an e-mail yesterday from a gal ( Suzy ) who runs the People's Press up in Redding, Northern Cal. They put out a publication every once in a while. I wrote them an article about the dire world energy situation a while back for one of their issues. Here are some of Suzies thoughts in her e-mail: <br /><br />........Corporations are doing business as usual. But now, after two 9/11s under Bush, (first the Twin Towers and then the economic crash), the military and financial industries have emerged as the equivalent of corporate entities on steroids. <br />In fact, since the year 2000 a full corporate takeover of the American government was successfully achieved, facilitated by these two catastrophic events.<br /> <br />The shift of wealth and power from the people to the corporations is stunning. I'm still reeling from it, trying to grasp it. Still feeling fresh outrage with every new and arrogant corporate rip off.It's not terrorists that are a threat to America, it's Goldman Sachs, Enron, Merrill Lynch and Pfizer. The financial, military, energy, insurance, health care and government institutions, originally designed to work in full partnership with the people, now privatized, are doing what corporations do: working for themselves.<br /> <br />In my life time I've seen many changes. Corporate fascism in America is the hardest one to accept and to cope with. It's like an eerily prophetic science fiction plot: Planet Earth is invaded, dominated, and gobbled up by insatiable wraith-like beings, ruled from a distance by a handful of living men, crazed and insane with greed, and lust for power.Hotspringswizardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07215356654367335612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-49980969373663769982009-11-19T16:39:31.674-08:002009-11-19T16:39:31.674-08:00You just can't believe the bullshit the so cal...You just can't believe the bullshit the so called "Christian" Right is spewing about Obama. I mean I have serious problems with him, but DAMN! I am just getting over a two day e-mail fight with an old friend over her sending me this putrid shit. Now they are selling T-Shirts and coffee mugs and mouse pads with this Bible reference to "leaving his children without a father and making his wife a widow." WTF?? Man, I just pray that nothing happens to him. A shooting war would break out. Maybe that's what some on the Dark Side are hoping for. Just think of what they could get away with then. This country is so polarized that we can't even agree on what time it is. It's a pitiful shame. We do appear to be doomed.<br /> ... Just got back from the movie "2012." Yup, it WAS the Mother-of-All Disaster films. Wipe it all clean and start over. That's probably what it would take to make things right. Anybody see that big fireball over Colorado, Wyoming, and other places in the West?freeacrenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-11502686541099460412009-11-19T07:42:30.500-08:002009-11-19T07:42:30.500-08:00I second all that.
Here in the reddest state in t...I second all that.<br /><br />Here in the reddest state in the country, Obama is considered to be the anti-Christ. Then there's my wife and a few of her friends who think he's just totally awesome -but that's because she's so freaking busy with finishing up her degree, starting an art gallery and displaying in another gallery, she has not one ounce of time to actually look into what is actually happening in Murika. She has a few minutes in the morning to do the crossword puzzle and that's about it. I can't wait for her to finish her schooling. Maybe then she'll open her eyes to what's really going on. Right now she thinks she's being informed via NPR on the way to school. <br /><br />But you know, most people's situations are like this. They work, eat, sleep, do house projects or hobbies on the weekends and if they have kids, hell, they probably have NO time to do any clicking around on the internet. In fact, they're lucky to open a newspaper to get their MSM propaganda BS -and then they consider themselves informed!<br /><br />Recently my older brother came for a visit and said something like "the economy will probably start getting better now, it's just that jobs lags behind the stock market" -straight from the CNNABCCBSNBCFOX horse's mouth. Then I told him that he was dreaming, things are going to get much, much worse, the $3 trillion commercial realestate market is going to go Tango Uniform (tits up), this country is broke and you can't spend your way out of a depression, etc. and he looked at me like he just got a shot of novicane. <br /><br />And he didn't believe a word I said.<br /><br />I'm hoping more people will take the red pill and escape the Matrix, but I'm not holding my breath. As long as the majority of sheeple hold the notion that the MSM is telling the truth, the only change this country will see is change for the worse. <br /><br />Which means.... drum roll please.....<br /><br />We are doomed!<br /><br />RandyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-8330690563912170412009-11-19T04:27:21.859-08:002009-11-19T04:27:21.859-08:00I think Obama may just be responsible for more hea...I think Obama may just be responsible for more heartbreak than every other person in history, combined. Thank about how many people have placed all their hopes and dreams in him, only to see him turn out to be yet another politician.RASnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-17345922727003446442009-11-18T14:47:40.376-08:002009-11-18T14:47:40.376-08:00Regarding Obama, what has he really changed? His d...Regarding Obama, what has he really changed? His demeanor is certainly less boyant than the heady days after the election. Too me he has shown every sign that he is part of the greater " borg collective " of TPTB. I know my brother once thought that maybe he was perhaps just trying to go about any changes slowly, not trying to rock the boat to big, to fast. My bro has changed his mind about that, as time has gone by, and no real change is forthcoming. There will be no change coming from this monsterously corrupt system. These horrible people with no conscience will do everything within their power to keep their position, at the expense of the rest of us.<br /><br />On another subject, I've been thinking for some time as I watch the months long circle jerk of BS about " health care reform " and its my impression that its all such a perfect distraction to get the angry masses focused on it, instead of on the humongous pillaging of the public coffers that occurred over last winter and into this spring. TPTB have no plans of changing anything of any benifit for the greater public regarding this, its just a tool to re-direct the focus of the sheep. <br /><br />Of course the US health care is structured such that it is gigantic rip-off of the greater public itself, and a totaly corrupt and broken system, but I don't see thus far anything meaningful coming to fruition in whats being offered up as solutions from our so called government leaders. In the end it looks like the medical industry crooks will actually be better off with what looks likely to pass. <br /><br />I mean look at how all the building anger at all the finacial rip-offs has been co-opted by the health care crap. Well it looks like soon enough, more huge financial trouble shoes will start dropping, and the simmering public anger will begin to boil again. Lots of talk about commercial real estate beginning to tank severely soon as just one of the possible sparks to send us further down the rat hole of finacial armegedon.Hotspringswizardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07215356654367335612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-9086249551588754112009-11-18T08:15:59.371-08:002009-11-18T08:15:59.371-08:00From Belgium
Have any of you guys been taking les...From Belgium<br /><br />Have any of you guys been taking lessons in Dutch?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-71124936245786586902009-11-18T07:24:15.266-08:002009-11-18T07:24:15.266-08:00ras & Randy -
A point you have.ras & Randy -<br />A point you have.freeacrenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-62626177063235886542009-11-18T06:46:42.086-08:002009-11-18T06:46:42.086-08:00Agreed. The lemmings wouldn't lift a finger t...Agreed. The lemmings wouldn't lift a finger to hang with the Jedi. They'd be more like, "Hey, get out of the way, I'm trying to watch Survivor, Idol, CSI, NASCAR, Dancing with the Stars, Biggest Looser!<br /><br />I think if I was a Jedi, I'd train myself to talk like Yoda, backwards style - "Kick your ass, I will." Ha! <br /><br />-RandyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-40613679078449367552009-11-18T04:53:23.269-08:002009-11-18T04:53:23.269-08:00The only problem with the Jedi analogy I see is th...The only problem with the Jedi analogy I see is that the few Jedi had a rather large rebellion behind them in their fight with the evil Empire and any "Jedi" here well...wouldn't. Everyone is too tied to the Wii. Sad, but true.RASnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-55247464169191229322009-11-17T17:26:10.992-08:002009-11-17T17:26:10.992-08:00Well there is no doubt in my mind that Baz's c...Well there is no doubt in my mind that Baz's comments were directly drawn from what he read when I, in the post before, was speaking of owning gold. If Baz thinks gold will be of no value in the future, not something that can be used as a medium for exchange, thats fine, I respect that he views this subject differently than me. But his intent was to call anyone who thought gold held worth, or someone who owns gold as an un-intelligent fool, and that without a doubt is not showing respect for my opinion. Yeah, he ticked me off with that. <br /><br />I was going to post a comment along the lines of what Murph did above, but he beat me too it, and he made the same points I was going to, doing a fine job in the process I must say.<br /><br />I won't dwell on this further, as I do consider it worthwhile for the discussion to be something that brings varied ideas to the table, rather than being a setting where people just bag on eachothers ideas.<br /><br />And Baz, I just traded 15 ounce gold coins for a big brand new 30 foot travel trailer that has already come in real handy up at our northern cal property. I've lived in travel trailers a few times in my life and am glad to have had the experience since one day, I may be living in one again if things get really bad. Its true you can't eat gold ( yuck ), but as long as people think it has value, then you will be able to trade it for more practical and usable things.Hotspringswizardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07215356654367335612noreply@blogger.com