tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post8567894119083019784..comments2024-03-07T00:40:45.585-08:00Comments on Trout Clan Campfire: PAYING THE PRICEmurph & freeacrehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10278932450332333778noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-74734277519856716042008-12-14T15:22:00.000-08:002008-12-14T15:22:00.000-08:00Belgium,Yea, Yea, American cars! Maybe if the Amer...Belgium,<BR/><BR/>Yea, Yea, American cars! Maybe if the American car company would build something like the Mini Cooper, (And I mean the old Austins, not the fancy BMWs) they wouldn't be in the tank!<BR/><BR/>Of course some of the blame is on the American Car Market, who would never by something as simple, small and fun as a Mini Cooper!<BR/><BR/>I like the new Zed cars they're building in England, with the Suzuki Hyabusa engines in them! 0-to-60 MPH in less than three seconds, and fifty plus miles to the gallon? What's not to love?!<BR/><BR/>Also, I move that fuel mileage, and not engine displacement be the deciding factor as to what would be acceptable. <BR/><BR/>The US Automobile Manufacturers CAN build some outstanding stuff! All they have to do is get some young blood in there, to shake the place up a little bit! Kind of like the Scion Boys did at Toyota!stoney13https://www.blogger.com/profile/04516695387985047832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-76634916650139494782008-12-14T12:03:00.000-08:002008-12-14T12:03:00.000-08:00From Belgium,Were you guys aware that Canada doesn...From Belgium,<BR/><BR/>Were you guys aware that Canada doesn’t have a government or parliament at the moment. The Queen of England has suspended it – you did read that right. Here is Webster Tarporley talking about it with my least favourite web celebrity Alex Jones. There are two 11 min videos and the interesting thing so far as you Americans are concerned come at 9’ 25” in the first and 9’ 40” in the second.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-21015348300640353652008-12-14T11:33:00.000-08:002008-12-14T11:33:00.000-08:00Sounds about right to me, anonymous. That's kinda ...Sounds about right to me, anonymous. That's kinda what we do here, at least some of the time.<BR/>ahoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-44289373892072953892008-12-14T08:31:00.000-08:002008-12-14T08:31:00.000-08:00To Climb High One Must Begin Low Religious organiz...To Climb High One Must Begin Low<BR/> <BR/>Religious organizations become as fixed and as rigid as the thoughts of those who belong to them. Life is a constant change, a continual becoming, a ceaseless revolution, and because an organization can never be pliable, it stands in the way of change; it becomes reactionary to protect itself. The search for truth is individual, not congregational. To commune with the real there must be aloneness, not isolation, but freedom from all influence and opinion. Organizations of thought inevitably become hindrances to thought.<BR/> <BR/>As you yourself are aware, the greed for power is almost inexhaustible in a so-called spiritual organization; this greed is covered over by all kinds of sweet and official-sounding words, but the canker of avariciousness, pride and antagonism is nourished and shared. From this grow conflict, intolerance, sectarianism, and other ugly manifestations.<BR/> <BR/>Would it not be wiser to have small informed groups of twenty or twenty-five persons, without dues or membership, meeting where it is convenient to discuss gently the approach to reality? To prevent any group from becoming exclusive, each member could from time to time encourage and perhaps join another small group; thus, it would be extensive, not narrow and parochial.<BR/> <BR/>To climb high one must begin low. Out of this small beginning one may help to create a more sane and happy world.<BR/><BR/>In gratitude to<BR/> <BR/>The Book of LifeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-3483543342404487712008-12-13T11:16:00.000-08:002008-12-13T11:16:00.000-08:00How about the U.S. becoming the largest manufactur...How about the U.S. becoming the largest manufacturer of solar panels instead of Saudi Arabia? hmmm what do they know?<BR/><BR/>How about an immediate ban on all "petrol based" pesticides and chemical fertilizers. There's some oil we don't need!<BR/><BR/>How about giving everyone a voucher for retrofitting their auto for solar panels and LED lighting to be charged at charging stations run by the sun? Or take all the money being pilfered to the fat cats in the Auto industry, banks, et al and provide solar panel incentives to all existing housing and make it mandatory for new housing. How about asking counties to stop building beyond their available water provisions? The Mcmansion housing builders should be required to build rain collecting water tanks! Freeacres car giveaway could be replacing our current clunkers for solar run vehicles! Give the money to the people who need it most! The big 3 are destined to meltdown they dug their hole a long time ago.<BR/><BR/>hello & cheers to all, cold day and about to pour buckets here. Peace, love and hot chocolate, mrspmrs phttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01275668463785789879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-89518556976175107682008-12-13T08:13:00.000-08:002008-12-13T08:13:00.000-08:00From Belgium,Freeacre,Great idea,how about giving ...From Belgium,<BR/><BR/>Freeacre,<BR/><BR/>Great idea,how about giving American workers vouchers for any form of gasoline driven motorised transport of less than 1000cc. It could include a car, a Harley, a quad bike or anything so long it was US Manufactured. Then people would only use their gas guzzlers for really important dates.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-82339108442879159672008-12-12T23:43:00.000-08:002008-12-12T23:43:00.000-08:00OK, I am a squirrel and a moron. If we all got new...OK, I am a squirrel and a moron. If we all got new cars, we'd just be driving more with these dumbassed gas guzzlers, raising the CO2 level, and killing the oceans even faster. AAAUUUUGHHH!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-1326959645290837732008-12-12T22:53:00.000-08:002008-12-12T22:53:00.000-08:00What do you guys think about the bailouts? To me, ...What do you guys think about the bailouts? To me, for openers, I believe that they are unconstitutional. I don't think it's in the constitution that you can just take taxpayers money and give it away by the billions (or trillions) to some people or entities or countries or banks or mobs or whatever and not even tell us who it is going to, unto the 3rd and 4th generations. Is it?? <BR/> And, as for the automakers, same kind of thing. If we give them money, they are just going to lay off a shitload of workers anyway. They are going to expand their operations in Brazil. Once again, our money goes to the rich and breaks the backs of the working class. Why not give vouchers for American cars to the citizens. The citizens can then turn in the vouchers for a (tax free) American car of their choice; the automakers would take in the money and stay in business; and the workers would have a job to do. At least we'd all get a car out of it. <BR/> And, with the other bailout, why not give the citizens each a credit of 25,000 or so that they could use to pay off their credit cards. The banks would get the payments, but the people would become debt free. At least we'd be gaining something.<BR/> It might not be unconstitutional for the country to give an advance to their own citizenry. I don't know. But, nobody is even asking the question.<BR/> Or, if the gov't won't give the citizens vouchers for cars, why should we give the car makers anything? The oil companies should be bailing them out. After all, that is the market for the oil that they have been making windfall profits on until now. They could do it in a heartbeat.<BR/> This whole thing is a total clusterfuck, and I am feeling like p's squirrel. They've got us by the nuts, alright.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-91806510721434203252008-12-12T17:14:00.000-08:002008-12-12T17:14:00.000-08:00Ely,Indeed it is an interesting read. My how thin...Ely,<BR/><BR/>Indeed it is an interesting read. My how things change, and yet stay the same.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-8807301558381613812008-12-12T16:14:00.000-08:002008-12-12T16:14:00.000-08:00I found this to be am interesting read...http://ww...I found this to be am interesting read...<BR/><BR/>http://www.doctorhousingbubble.com/personal-story-by-a-lawyer-from-a-previous-asset-bubble-can-we-learn-from-the-past-and-how-will-the-housing-decline-impact-you/<BR/><BR/>ElyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-49192021839393840652008-12-11T23:59:00.000-08:002008-12-11T23:59:00.000-08:00From Belgium,Ras, there is nothing bad about writi...From Belgium,<BR/><BR/>Ras, there is nothing bad about writing from the heart - wonderfulAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-4194699050862038362008-12-11T16:24:00.000-08:002008-12-11T16:24:00.000-08:00FA, I'm fine. I'm (mostly) over the crud and am ev...FA, I'm fine. I'm (mostly) over the crud and am even at work tonight. Sometimes I just get the urge to write bad poetry.RAShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16264114986793504233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-9431790497210051982008-12-11T14:12:00.000-08:002008-12-11T14:12:00.000-08:00Thanks for the recipe, freeacre,I'm going to give ...Thanks for the recipe, freeacre,<BR/><BR/>I'm going to give it a try.<BR/><BR/>Dave<BR/>http://daveeriqat.wordpress.com/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-10290617250931696892008-12-11T13:31:00.000-08:002008-12-11T13:31:00.000-08:00Once again, I am brought to tears. I sure hope you...Once again, I am brought to tears. I sure hope you are right, Little Darlin'. I sure hope so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-74523395198243653562008-12-11T12:51:00.000-08:002008-12-11T12:51:00.000-08:00What will we do?What will we doWhen the last car d...<B>What will we do?</B><BR/><BR/>What will we do<BR/>When the last car dies<BR/>And the last bus runs out of fuel?<BR/>When the last phone goes dead<BR/>And the last radio crackles and falls silent?<BR/>When the last tv flickers off <BR/>And the last dvd is broken?<BR/>When the grid goes down<BR/>And all the distractions end?<BR/>Perhaps, perhaps, we shall leave<BR/>Our stifling, confining, limiting abodes<BR/>And go across the hall or the dead concrete jungle<BR/>To knock on a neighbor’s door<BR/>Perhaps we shall say ‘Hi, how are you?<BR/>I do not know you, but maybe we could sit and chat?’<BR/>Perhaps the neighbor will say ‘I suppose,<BR/>But I was just about to have dinner. It’s just rice,<BR/>But at least it’s something.’<BR/>And maybe we shall say ‘I have some beans,<BR/>How about we eat together?’<BR/>Then perhaps we shall sit and talk and dine together<BR/>And watch our children play, who have never met<BR/>Then perhaps we shall start to realize<BR/>How bad the old world was<BR/>And start to build something new<BR/>Together.RAShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16264114986793504233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-62289560809905967882008-12-11T11:35:00.000-08:002008-12-11T11:35:00.000-08:00Dave, et al,ENGLISH MUFFINS (Bread machine recipe ...Dave, et al,<BR/><BR/>ENGLISH MUFFINS (Bread machine recipe that I didn't use a bread machine for since I misplaced the frigging mixing paddle. But, they turned out good, anyway....)<BR/><BR/>Ingredients:<BR/>1 1/2 cups non-fat milk (powdered milk is fine) Warm it up.<BR/>2 Tbl. unsalted butter, melted<BR/>1 large egg<BR/><BR/>4 1/2 cups all purpose flour<BR/>2 teas. salt<BR/>2 3/4 teas, bread machine yeast<BR/><BR/>some cornmeal for sprinkling<BR/><BR/>Put in bread machine in the normal order and set on the "dough' setting. Or, by hand, mix the salt and flour in one bowl. Mix the warm wet stuff with the yeast in another bowl, then combine. Knead till it gets elastic and smooth. Let rise to double in warm place.<BR/><BR/>Then, once raised, turn out on cutting board sprinkled with some corn meal. Roll out 1/2" thick rectangle. Cut rounds with a 3" cookie cutter or a glass. Combine and roll out the trimmings.<BR/><BR/>Preheat an electric griddle to 350-375. Or heat a cast iron griddle until water dances on it. Lightly grease the surface.<BR/><BR/>Place several muffins on the griddle and cook them about 10 minutes on each side, until they are quite brown. They will puff up. Remove and set on a rack to cool.<BR/><BR/>These actually turned out quite tasty for a first effort. I ended up making a dinner out of some of them by toasting them, then putting on a couple of poached eggs, then some homemade cheese sauce (white sauce plus grated cheese). Some garden peas on the side, and val la! Bon appetite! Time consuming, but cheap and yummy on a cold day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-24805658392108777002008-12-11T09:10:00.000-08:002008-12-11T09:10:00.000-08:00My wife and I got married over two years ago and s...My wife and I got married over two years ago and since then, we've become "fat, dumb and happy." And because of that, my wife wants to loose some weight. Sure, it would be great if she lost some weight, looked a little sexier 'n stuff, but, I didn't say anything like that, of course. In fact, I'd rather she keep it on. I think we're all gonna get a lot skinnier in the not-too-distant-future and who knows, the more weight we have, the longer we might hang out. So, I think I'll just have an extra serving -of everything this holiday season. Especially beer. <BR/><BR/>DudeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-17615742286586050462008-12-11T08:19:00.000-08:002008-12-11T08:19:00.000-08:00One way governments may attempt to pay up is throu...One way governments may attempt to pay up is through coordinated currency devaluation. Just add a few zeros and presto, debts are gone! Jubilee! This is the equivalent of poaching nest eggs, but there will be a great temptation to do it. There have been several mainstream articles in the last week illustrating the benefits... here is one such article from forbes:<BR/><BR/>http://www.forbes.com/finance/investingideas/2008/12/09/dollar-devaluation-gold-pf-ii-in_fb_1209soapbox_inl.html<BR/><BR/>Now is definitely a good time to get one's shit together, and to find help wherever you may. Personally I have found mormons to be most helpful in providing information about food storage and home security.<BR/><BR/>One guy I know went out of his way when I asked him for help. He knows I am an athiest and yet he never once tried to proselytize to me. I think they get that out of their system during their missionary rite of passage when they ride around on bicycles ringing doorbells. <BR/><BR/>The rest of the yuppies and drones around here have been about as useful as tits on a bull.<BR/><BR/>anazuzoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-59119806598493112342008-12-11T06:52:00.000-08:002008-12-11T06:52:00.000-08:00From Belgium,p. you lost me in one or two places p...From Belgium,<BR/><BR/>p. you lost me in one or two places probably because I had not read Survival Acres but what you said made broad sense and I have to agree with your conclusions. bAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-70452667800156908682008-12-11T05:19:00.000-08:002008-12-11T05:19:00.000-08:00freeacre,How funny that you are making english muf...freeacre,<BR/><BR/>How funny that you are making english muffins. The other day I was at the store and saw some and though how delicious they'd be with butter. Mmm...<BR/><BR/>But they were so expensive in the store so I didn't buy them and I thought I'd try to make them myself.<BR/><BR/>Do you have a recipe you can share?<BR/><BR/>Dave<BR/>http://daveeriqat.wordpress.com/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-80448650220207639152008-12-11T05:13:00.000-08:002008-12-11T05:13:00.000-08:00Murph, to begin with I expect he'll pay for it the...Murph, to begin with I expect he'll pay for it the same way they're paying for everything else: deficit spending. If that fails, there are other options. Issue a new currency, commander things. Not pretty -but nothing is going to be pretty for a while.<BR/><BR/>This time is not going to be pretty. It is going to be dark and hard. A lot of bad things are going to happen. But, this must happen. There is no way to avoid it. The whirlwind has been sown and must be reaped. To everything there is a season/And a time for every purpose under heaven. (I'm not Christian but there is a small amount of wisdom in the Bible.) A Reckoning must happen. I hope that centuries from now, when the darkness has passed, the ones that live will have built something better and will look at the past with horror.<BR/><BR/>To paraphrase Tolkien, we can not decide what times we live in -we can only decide what to do with the time we have been given. Everything we do to help ourselves, another person or creature, every small act of kindness we can do, changes in the world in some way. And that, in the end, may be the best legacy we can give the future.RAShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16264114986793504233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-61540920207659711982008-12-10T21:39:00.000-08:002008-12-10T21:39:00.000-08:00re survival acres... is that you robert? read you...re survival acres... is that you robert? read your latest blog entry and i encourage all here to go read it... http://survivalacres.com/wordpress/<BR/><BR/>you won't find many analysies of the current state of the human condition like this and i fully expect robert to take his own advice and.... move on. at least to the extent of his point that, its damned challenging to hang on-line and take action too. besides, you've heard it all already so what are you waiting for? iow, hanging on his site or any site including this one can be a diversion. and a way to play out our own personal issues. i know its been that way for me. which is not to say there's no value here or at robert's site or wherever else we've been hangin. though he may mean it literally, i take his words... move on... metaphorically. somewhere in between is a balance point for each of us.<BR/><BR/>in the meantime i can't tell you how grateful i am to have sites like this one and robert's. sadly, i've not spent much time at his having just recently picked it up on radar. but this one has been a touchstone... a connection upon which i can feel that, if i'm crazy, i'm in damn good company!! nice warm campfire too!!!<BR/><BR/>robert talks alot about polarization in this entry and i would agree with him... its everywhere, its everywhere. in my view, this is not a fluk or twist of fate. its engrained in the energies that we are. it has an original cause and it has a solution albeit both are illusive to say the least. its just that we're at a point where the pendulum has moved so far from the balance point that life itself hangs in the balance. <BR/><BR/>fortunatley, in my view at least, there is such a thing as the greater cosmic forces seeking balance and they are interviening. its just that... well, its not going to be pretty. the state of the energies cannot be ignored or made moot even by greater forces. it is what it is and there is only one way to the future and that is through the back door into the past.<BR/><BR/>and i agree with him... the polarization is played like a drum. triggered into the various extreems that are the ideologies, interpretations, judgements, imprints, frozen pov's and so on of the masses. in short, we're being fed upon. but whatever they are for each of us they are our own personal ideaologies, interpretations, judgements, imprints, and so on and thus, are our responsibility to deal with. you can lead a squirrel to a nut but you can't make him pick it up. unless he's a squirrel eh. hell, all ya gotta do is show him a nut and he becomes what he is already. playing out that imprint that manifests as gathering nuts. he is what he is. unless he changes at the imprint level. thats our challenge. <BR/><BR/>but he's just a squirrel? can't think for himself? make choices? well how bout this... the other day liz started something on the stove and set the timer. meantime she got side-tracked and ended up in the ?? room downstairs (i can't think what they call this hobby... damn, i'm getting senile. but she's very good at it whatever it is) working on christmas cards. completly sidetracked and forgetting (surprize, i'm not alone!) all about the stove is on. blackie cat came down raising hell... a tactic he employs when he wants a smackeral and his bowl is empty. so liz heads upstairs with blackie hot on her heals. when she gets to the top of the stairs she hears the timer goin off and heads straight for the stove just in time to beat flash point! blackie doesn't stop at his bowl. he walks right past it and stops only long enough to look at liz, look at the stove, look back at liz and then heads straight outside through his catdoor. probably to chase squirrels eh!<BR/><BR/>i was particularly taken with robert's closing paragraphs.... <BR/><BR/>".... I’m working on my robotedness, trying to deprogram my pyschotronic mind and figure out what it means to be human again.<BR/><BR/>I was once human too, just like you. When I was a small child, wondering at the marvelous beauty of the world and astounded by the things I touched, tasted, smelled and seen. Life was a joy, an experience to be relished, renewed each and every day as a wonderful gift.<BR/><BR/>But over time, the numbness and indifference of the world took hold in me too, as I aged and gained experience and dealt with the reality of the indifferent and uncaring world, killing off the joy and appreciation of being alive. I slowly became “one of them”, the mindless, unthinking, uncaring and indifferent zombies that occupy our planet by the billions today, raping and being raped daily, pillaging and plundering whatever we wanted, never caring, never interested, never even really living. Just going through the motions of life on a well-worn “life” track programmed into my brain by people I had never even met.<BR/><BR/>And then something happened. I awoke with a start, realizing that I was finally and truly awake to something I had only faintly sensed the existence of before. Maybe it was a fault in the software, or maybe it happened because of the hard fall I took, or maybe because I threw my television away for a entire decade, but something jarred me awake and I came awake with a start, shocked at what I seen, and even what I myself had become.<BR/><BR/>And I’m very glad this happened. I rejected the fame and fortune of my past and became this person that I am today. I am awake, but only just barely alive. Struggling to make my own existence in this world that is hell-bent on destroying me and “my kind”, which hates us with a passionate hatred for all things living and alive.<BR/><BR/>It is the same hatred that created civilization and the domination of the planet, forcing humans into subservient slavery and miserable existence. It is a deep and abiding hatred for what I have come to understand as being.<BR/><BR/>You see, I’m still polarized and I know it. I can’t help it still, knowing that those that identify with me are the same way themselves. We’re seeking a better world, a world that we were not born into. This is a world that we are not likely to ever see either. But we still believe in its future existence someday. I suspect that this is the only reason we yet live, holding onto a faint hope despite all the evidence that contradicts this, that this dream world will exist someday, for somebody.<BR/><BR/>And this is what I think makes us human in the end. We may yet still be robots on the outside, forcing ourselves to go through this life as we must, but inside, we hold onto the dream that we are really not this ‘person’, programmed to be these artificial fabricated creatures with no minds, no thoughts and no life that we are today.<BR/><BR/>We even know that we hold little hope to become truly human again, but we know that if the human race survives this present day folly and destruction of our planet, somebody might. Someday.<BR/><BR/>And I think they deserve that chance.<BR/><BR/>And it is up to us to give it to them.<BR/><BR/>By any and all means possible.<BR/><BR/>And this is how we will become alive again. Human."<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>amen robert. in chaoots... pAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-23813536022574755602008-12-10T12:58:00.000-08:002008-12-10T12:58:00.000-08:00Dave, I share your disgust with our political lan...Dave,<BR/> I share your disgust with our political landscape, although I'd much rather listen to Obama than Bush or McLame. Citizen involvement in government is a set up for exhaustion and frustration. Even if you win one thing, they screw you with ten others. The levels of bureaucracy are just numbing after awhile. <BR/> That's why I am going to check out the Grange. It is an old-fashioned rural organization that has secret passwords and hand signs, and organizes things to help the community. The one here is contemplating organizing a Farmers Market. I'd like to have them consider a Trading Post as well. Bet they could do it without all the stupid licenses and codes and dumbassed rules that the county would require.<BR/> Good to hear from you, Survival Acres! The climate change tipping points that you refer to on the website are so frightening and so out of our control, that I simply get paralyzed when I think of it. Don't know whether to "shit or go blind," as my father would say. If the science is correct, then it's too late now to avoid a severe die off as temperatures inexorably rise and the oceans die. All the more reason to live more intensely while we are here, I'd say. I don't want to be a zombie no matter what.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-70691996509416380212008-12-10T11:52:00.000-08:002008-12-10T11:52:00.000-08:00We are in unbelievable trouble. The latest news is...We are in unbelievable trouble. The latest news is unbelievably grim, but is still receiving scant attention. <BR/><BR/>Tipping points on our climate have already passed, with centuries of suffering ahead. Nothing else even comes close to the significance of this event. <BR/><BR/>Our financial woes are paltry in comparison. We'll "pay the price" alright, multiple human generations will suffer if we even survive. ~Survival Acres~Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-9120184824672095702008-12-10T11:01:00.000-08:002008-12-10T11:01:00.000-08:00rp and fa... as fa sez, check today's entry and ye...rp and fa... as fa sez, check today's entry and yesterday and monday's. several direct quotes from reports citing the coming of these events. what he's quoted is most of what is in part 5 of the current run published last saturday and highlights from previous reports as far back as 9 months ago. the latter especially in today's entry. thus, the "twins" have been on the radar for some time now.<BR/><BR/>the prediction is for twin events of high mag, one of which is located 32 - 36 lat. north? south? take yer pick. data doesn't specify. also doesn't specify where along this 32-36.... its a long way around the globe. but there are several clues that could narrow the field. like shortages. LA does fall within that lat as well as at least half the central valley that produces much of our winter food supply. AND the sutan sea area has been id-ed by others as "building" and "very vulnerable" for some time now. several faults emanating outward from the sultan area northward as well as westward. see jim berkland's forum, especially frank condon's category.<BR/><BR/>it takes water to grow food right? and for much of the valley (not to mention the densely populated urban areas), water is imported. last week ure printed an analysis of the 32 - 36 lat area of california sent in by a reader. here's the cut 'n paste.... <BR/><BR/><BR/>Week To Quakes?<BR/><BR/>Since the predictive linguistics have these 'twin quakes' coming up (window opens in a week temporally) a great email from a well-versed reader on some of the things Californians might want to ponder:<BR/><BR/>"George, As you know California has had three great earthquakes in the last 150 years. Two have occurred on the San Andreas fault. Both were mammoth; 1906 San Francisco quake 7.7-8.2 and the 1857 Ft. Tejon quake 7.9-8.1. A major quake occurs on the San Andreas fault on average every 140 years......so we're overdue by 10 years. <BR/><BR/>I'll list 4 scenarios within the 32-36 N. Latitudes. <BR/><BR/>1. Colorado River/All American Canal: Western U.S. bread basket for winter vegetables is the Imperial valley/Mexicali. The San Andreas ends near the Salton Sea and the San Jacinto fault begins on the Westside of the Salton sea and extends southward to the Gulf of California. A larger quake here could rupture open the Gulf of California allowing a channel of water to move in through Mexico and merger with the Salton Sea. There is a 100 mile from Indio to the Mexican border that is below sea level. A smaller quake would disrupt waterways including the All American canal, the largest irrigation canal in the world creating significant damage to the crops. It would take a huge rupture to force water inland not likely but faintly possible. <BR/><BR/>Most of So Cal water is imported; LA aqueduct from Owens Valley, California aqueduct from the state water project and the Colorado River aqueduct. All three aqueducts cross the San Andreas fault. The great fear is not transpiration disruption but unavailable water. <BR/><BR/>2. The Colorado River aqueduct parallels the San Andreas fault separated by a distance of 1-5 miles from Coachella Valley west to Banning about 40 miles. After crossing the fault near Banning in Riverside County the water is deposited in Lake Mathews for distribution throughout LA, Orange and San Diego counties. A good size quake here would produce water disruptions and shutdowns. <BR/><BR/>3. Half of all Southern California water usages comes from the California aqueduct. The California aqueduct transports water 450 miles from Sacramento River delta to Los Angeles. The California aqueduct crosses the San Andreas fault through Cajon pass north of San Bernardino. The water is then distributed through all of So Cal. The San Andreas fault passes through Northern LA county on the north of the San Gabriel mountains. Unfortunately that is where the California aqueduct is located. The aqueduct is tucked in next to the San Andreas fault for about 35 miles. At this point the aqueduct heads Northwest to tie in with the Los Angeles aqueduct while the fault maintains a more westerly direction lifting to 4,000ft as the fault precedes through Ft. Tejon. A Ft.Tejon type quake with similar magnitude would more than likely result in equipment failure and cracks/leakage along miles of the canal. <BR/><BR/>4. San Luis Dam: The California aqueduct parallels the San Andreas fault along the Westside of the San Joaquin Valley for 170 miles......separated by 10/30 miles. The water is stored in the San Luis reservoir/lake. The reservoir is a huge man made lake supported by the San Luis Dam. The Dam is 25 miles east of the San Andreas fault. 20 miles west of San Luis Dam is the city of Hollister....."earthquake capital of the U.S." Southwest of Hollister only a few miles west of the San Andreas fault is the "salad capital of the world" the Salinas Valley. A major quake in this area could create major/minor agricultural shortages but a significant crack in the Dam could be a disaster..... the damage would be relative to the amount of water stored in the lake. Right now the dams in the Sierras are holding little water. <BR/><BR/>5. Bay area slips: A large bay area quake off the Hayward fault causes sea water to rush into the shipping channels of the Sacramento Delta flooding thousands of acres, busting levies and mixing seawater with fertile soil. <BR/><BR/>(end reader comment)<BR/><BR/>george's end note....<BR/><BR/>Again, we hope to be wrong on the quakes, or that they happen in areas where there's no impact, but we should know in about two weeks whether we're right or wrong...We don't know, for example if the 32-36 latitude band is north or south, and even if north, that could still cover the New Madrid region. Dramamine ready? Stand by to cue the 'dancing mountains'.<BR/><BR/>end george.<BR/><BR/>not saying thats what's coming but, damn!!! that analysis is chilling!!!! as i say, this area has been cited by others, including mainstream science, as building and very vulnerable. if any of those zones takes a big hit that takes out the water and transportation infrastructure the impact could be devastating to an entire nation... especially in winter. all we need to get knocked on our collective asses bigtime is one major event like this. its likely coming in some form from some where. we are vulnerable on many fronts. this is just one of them.... pAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com