tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post971707911949493007..comments2024-03-07T00:40:45.585-08:00Comments on Trout Clan Campfire: 2010 - We Can Do Thismurph & freeacrehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10278932450332333778noreply@blogger.comBlogger87125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-45156316634412409132010-01-13T15:12:10.745-08:002010-01-13T15:12:10.745-08:00Thanks for your thoughts Belgium. There are many w...Thanks for your thoughts Belgium. There are many ways to look at all of these things we consider about our life experience.<br /><br />In all of what I've wrote recently I want to make clear that I'm not meaning that we should not do the best we can to interpret that which is around us, and in this thought I'm not refering to anything you wrote to me Belgium<br />:-) We are always working on weeding out the bad info from the good so to speak, so that we may understand more clearly what we experience. <br /><br />I am appreciative that you are all such a considerate bunch of folks regarding others postings of their thoughts. This certainly provides a healthy climate for our learning this or that from eachother :-)Hotspringswizardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07215356654367335612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-60808095786421010222010-01-13T01:15:26.068-08:002010-01-13T01:15:26.068-08:00From Belgium
HSW, as was stated earlier we are al...From Belgium<br /><br />HSW, as was stated earlier we are all on the same page and following closely parallel paths. You are looking at things from a greater distance where you see more overall interlinking connections but in less detail whereas I was zooming in a bit to see how the nuts and bolts connect together. Indeed ‘faith’ is the belief in something which cannot be proved but in order to test this faith I have been putting unfounded beliefs into a pending box until the foreman of the jury delivers his verdict. I second your very last paragraph. <br /><br />Rp IMHO Tarpley’s analysis is a flying turkey. I will agree that it is in the US’s interest to break up the SCO but shaking spears around the Gulf ain’t going to do it, the Iranians are too savvy for that. And I did notice the Unless part of his comment.<br /><br />p. death to a Lincoln :-) I guess 6.02 & 6.17 were both you. You got it!<br /><br />vw traphist - some of the best beer in Belgium is made by them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-30508278173704370642010-01-13T00:24:52.665-08:002010-01-13T00:24:52.665-08:00Just for the record, Henry Makow is way over the t...Just for the record, Henry Makow is way over the top for me. All satanic mumbo-jumbo sounds like "bunk" to me. Naturally, I will be very bummed if it turns out to be true..freeacrenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-48672246737727144802010-01-12T23:15:33.393-08:002010-01-12T23:15:33.393-08:00Rockpicker, I tried that address you suggested but...Rockpicker, I tried that address you suggested but since at our house we ony have slow speed phone modem those videos of David Icke would be to time consuming to download. I did google his name and read some about him. Seems like he would be an interesting person to talk to. <br /><br />Maybe you referenced him to me because of my mentioning about alternative forms of beings. I've never met a reptilian alien shapshifter like Icke speaks of :-)<br /><br />In my comment I was merely suggesting that in the realm of possibilities regarding an apparently infinite universe there could be lots of other kinds of beings which could be differant from us in form and manner beyond anything we can comprehend. <br /><br />The cosmos even at the infinitely primitive level we comprehend it is full of bizarre phenomenon and relationships that throw into kilter the very base conclusions by which we assess our experiences. <br /><br />So the most honest aproach I can see to make reasonable assessments is to decipher patterns and think of the observations of them in terms of probabilities. Since I cannot know all things then it seems to me that I cannot ascribe a 0 or 100 percent probability to anything because to do so would mean you were capable of knowing all of the infinte possibilities of things, say like one would think of the capabilities of a God.<br /><br />This I feel is the most truthful basis from which to develop a basic architecture of understanding. But this structure of " knowing " is always subject to change because new realizations will come along and ultimately create the need for alterations.<br />It is a journey with no destination. <br /><br />But for so much of humanity their minds are full cups of set ideas and absolutes that they have " created ", like mental castles built on sand. Akin to the acceptance of the notion that we have free will. Whole belief systems are built up around this concept, when its base premise is a thing of " faith " by my reckoning.<br /><br />Its all so very fascinating, exploring the deeper meaning of things with always something new to consider :-)Hotspringswizardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07215356654367335612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-72805519829383668512010-01-12T18:59:34.499-08:002010-01-12T18:59:34.499-08:00" ek skews me, but did you say
eh, Blinkin?" ek skews me, but did you say<br />eh, Blinkin?rockpickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15705284555868707898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-85214791176776599812010-01-12T18:17:12.615-08:002010-01-12T18:17:12.615-08:00opps... these lawbooks have begun to muddle the mi...opps... these lawbooks have begun to muddle the mind. or is it the politics? or that sandburg fella? therefore i forgot to sign my name.<br /><br />a. lincolnAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-24658264408081690762010-01-12T18:02:20.286-08:002010-01-12T18:02:20.286-08:00SATS...
both p and B stated a case
p is off the ...SATS...<br /><br /><br />both p and B stated a case<br />p is off the walls at bell south dot net<br />therefore, B made the case much better than p<br /><br />while the conclusion may not follow it is most certainly true. send the file, thx<br /><br />: - )<br /><br /><br />wv... joyalAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-20192686432322242272010-01-12T15:17:32.557-08:002010-01-12T15:17:32.557-08:00Belgium, Yes, indeed, Thank you. I at first did...Belgium, Yes, indeed, Thank you. I at first did not notice all the files you included. Thanks for all the effort.<br /><br />I saw the piece on Iran. Last night, on the Jeff Rense radio show, he was rebroadcasting an interview with Webster Tarpley, from last week. Tarpley stated, unequivocally, there would be no US bomb attack on Iran, as long as signs indicate civil unrest is ongoing. He said, the plan is not to take the US to war with Iran, but to get Iran to go to war with Russia.rockpickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15705284555868707898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-89317143414530713992010-01-12T13:35:35.500-08:002010-01-12T13:35:35.500-08:00From Belgium
Hi HSW, Patterns are a great way of ...From Belgium<br /><br />Hi HSW, Patterns are a great way of seeing if something is out of kilter. Those who know more about Chaos theory than I do, say that seemingly random events can be broken down into regular patterns and much can be learned about the way certain patterns combine or not. Taking a detached overview is a way of observing how the parts of the bigger picture combine together. In order to interpret this we must necessarily ask questions and when the answers to these questions are deliberately misleading so that others can follow their particular agenda to our disadvantage then that is when red flags should be raised. We therefore need to chip away at the foundations of seemingly impenetrable walls to expose what is behind them. <br /><br />At a time when the US is amassing another armada near the Gulf, Brasscheck TV has a piece up today about a US film maker who went to Iran to observe the axis of evil on the streets and in the homes of the people of Tehran and the small villages in the countryside. He found that because of or in spite of their form of government, they are a very happy and contented people. The very last thing they want is to be liberated from the yolk of their situation. This is just a small item of exposed misdirection which is topical today but is typical of what my comment was about.<br /><br />Rp, did you get my e mail?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-39128389265625409002010-01-12T12:36:46.489-08:002010-01-12T12:36:46.489-08:00freeacre,
How preceint, that mention of 01-11-10!...freeacre,<br /><br />How preceint, that mention of 01-11-10! You called it, girl!<br /><br />http://www.stevequayle.com/News.alert/08_Hawk/100112.Obama.EO.htmlrockpickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15705284555868707898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-57916315532796469082010-01-12T10:42:44.947-08:002010-01-12T10:42:44.947-08:00Hotspringswizard,
If you haven't seen this yet...Hotspringswizard,<br />If you haven't seen this yet, you might be interested in this interview with David Icke.<br /><br />http://freedomcentral.info/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=42&Itemid=73<br /><br />Belgium, The ISGP site won't come up for me. I did manage to find <br />an article on the Dutroux Affair II. Apparently, there are sites peripheral to the ISGP site which offer some of the data.<br /><br />wv- nosamesrockpickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15705284555868707898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-12075980846100671572010-01-12T10:02:31.168-08:002010-01-12T10:02:31.168-08:00In reference to Belgium's most recent thoughts...In reference to Belgium's most recent thoughts, I interpret my life experience, my perceptions of it, in terms of my opinion of probabilities and not in ascribing absolutes to my observations.<br /><br />Why? Because the universe may be infinite ( as far as I perceive it ), which means it could be endless on the smaller and larger scale. We only experience the characteristics ( in our small bubble of exposure )through the medium of the form we take, our particular sensory construct. <br /><br />We speak of what we know, what is truth, what is real and most of humanity gives various absolute qualities to these ideas they hold. But what do our ideas of what is mean to some other complex construct of material form or otherwise manifestation of being that is somewhere in the infinity that surrounds us, or is even within us. Its world and ours could surely ( within the realm of possibilities ) have no commonality whatsoever. <br /><br />So this I think brings to mind the idea that we only " know " things within the myriad parameters that human thought gives creedance too. Is there an ultimate truth to all things which could be used to really gauge the validity of the considerations of the vast array of ideas held by humanity? It appears to me that a realistically usable concept like that is un-attainable. <br /><br />So along with my use of probabilities to describe my experience, patterns are indespensible to making practical sense of what I observe. So in my attempts to understand whats going on in these quickly changing times, I'm always looking for consistency and patterns in the information I consider.<br /><br />So when we describe our thoughts, feelings, ideas about what is, we utilize various degrees of " evidence " to support our contention. Anything we cite can always be put to question, in regards to its validity. Any form of information could be challenged with realistically endless inquiries of its premisis. <br /><br />So each will " decide " what parameters they will " choose " to use in deciphering the mysteries of life, the unknowns. But to my mind it all just represents unique sets of mental journeys through intricate landscapes of mental experience, and these ephemeral musings we hold are mere vapors emanating from our form, fleeting beyond measure in regard to the infinity of time. And what of the most pervasive belief system of humanity, of a scope beyond all religions, that being the idea that we have free will? Just another un-answered question in a great sea of wonderings :-)Hotspringswizardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07215356654367335612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-68179078123814658822010-01-12T08:43:23.128-08:002010-01-12T08:43:23.128-08:00Belgium, I'll try to find that website and let...Belgium, I'll try to find that website and let you know if I have difficulty. I'm quite interested in this line of research.<br /><br />Steve Quayle's site yesterday published an article in which there is a link to an epistle meant to expose details of a secret society based in Australia. Supposedly the piece is brought to light posthumously by an executor of the man's estate. Here's the link.<br /><br />http://www.henrymakow.com/australian_satanist_exposes_wo.html<br /><br />Also, brasscheck has posted a short video describing an experiment which reveals interesting implications involving peer pressure and denial.<br /><br />http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/770.htmlrockpickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15705284555868707898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-68471512305153014282010-01-12T01:03:16.739-08:002010-01-12T01:03:16.739-08:00FB pt 2
Over the past months I have been question...FB pt 2<br /><br />Over the past months I have been questioning some of the basic assumptions that we have learned over the last years. I am not vacillating but just trying to side step a potential peripatetic moment somewhere down the line. It is a bit like a priest questioning the existence of God. For instance we all know that there are twelve bloodline families that control the world. How do we know? Because we have been told so. Ok then, what are their family names? Well there are the Rothschild’s; the Schiff’s; the Warburg’s; the Vanderbilt’s – then there are the um – Are the Rockefeller’s in the twelve or not - um? You get the picture. If we can’t name them then how do we know there are twelve, do any of them exist as part of a group? It is the same story with the 300 international bankers who all know each other by name but we don’t know their names. Are they for real; are they urban legend or are they deflection? If I can’t call it then I have been demoting some common knowledge certainties into pending boxes to try and take a more balanced view. <br /><br />The thing that brought this about is that I came across a site ** just before Christmas which contains a mere handful of articles. The author has researched some of the world’s most secret societies and clubs. Some are genuinely clandestine and some are semi open but with embedded covert shadowy background organisations. Most of these articles are mini e-books which open as a single html page. The articles end when the scroll bar is halfway down the page and the bottom half is taken up with references so that for nearly every line of text there is a source. This is the way research should be done. Myths are dispelled and many unknown facts are brought to light. He claims that these few articles took him five years part time to put together but when you see the detail you are going to know why. I keep the site in a closed tab and am still working my way through it as time allows. If you do dip your toe in I am certain you will be anti social for at least a week. This brings us full circle to rp’s question of what is known about Maurice Strong. I will give you the link to the home page and also to the article which up to now I think has the most references to him and his (cohorts) associates. <br /><br />** I wrote the above comment yesterday and left it hanging because the site I wanted to link to was down. It has remained down for a day now. I sincerely hope that it is some sort of maintenance and that nothing unfortunate has happened to the author. I would recommend that those interested periodically try to access the site ISGP or the Institute for the Study of Globalisation and Covert Politics. Fortunately I have the site backed up in Word format so if anybody wants a copy then let me know and I will send it as an e-mail attachment (3.6MB)<br /><br />SATSAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-49741415294572003392010-01-12T01:02:33.400-08:002010-01-12T01:02:33.400-08:00From Belgium
Rp One of the proposals in the (EU) ...From Belgium<br /><br />Rp One of the proposals in the (EU) Lisbon Treaty was that the Interpol and (US) DHS computers would be linked – just to catch the bad guys of course. If crime is international then it follows that we sure do need to be internationally vigilant for the benefit of us all. I am certain that it hasn’t got past you that there are light years of difference between being internationally vigilant and being multinationally vigilant :-) <br /><br />RAS, you call them as you see them. I have set my position out above on this one and I am not going to dive back in. <br />Lots of us have been guilty of providing non sequitur logic steps, hopefully unintentionally and accepting such without substantiation. With the amount of reading most of us do it is not possible to pin down every statement made without restricting your subject matter and there is always the hope that genuine peer review has kicked in somewhere along the line. Of course this is not always the case and this leaves the door ajar for propaganda, spin or outright deception. <br />A documentary came out a little time after 9/11 and the presenter started by asking the viewer to be indulgent whilst he played a little game with us. The game was word association – he would say a word and we had to say the first word that came into our head. OK; ready – the word is ‘Conspiracy’ – pause “I’m guessing you all said ‘Theory’”. Well he caught me out with it. His point was that whilst the waters were muddied on so many issues of the day with so many conflicting ‘facts’, nobody could prove anything with any degree of certainty and the perps could sit back and play any bit of confusion off with any other bit of confusion. And that’s why nearly every major issue remains a theory. It all comes down to thorough research and getting as near to certainties as is possible. Sometimes we can’t and in those cases all you can say is “This is my opinion”, “This is how I see it”. <br /><br />Sometimes we learn things as we go along; things that can’t be proved and all we can do is fall on one side of the equation or the other based on the balance of probabilities. Are there green lizard men from the Pleiades incarcerated in the lowest levels of deep underground military bases? Well we make up our mind and say that’s our opinion because without seeing for ourselves or listening to a number of independent observers, that’s all we have got.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-36789391656414769992010-01-11T21:24:49.706-08:002010-01-11T21:24:49.706-08:00Many good thoughts in this:
http://carolynbaker.n...Many good thoughts in this:<br /><br />http://carolynbaker.net/site/content/view/1464/1/<br /><br />CAROLYN BAKER AND KEITH FARNISH DIALOG ABOUT THE GREAT TRANSITION <br /><br />A few months ago, I struck up an online friendship with the acclaimed author and academic Carolyn Baker. It was clear that we were both writing about similar things, but I didn’t realise quite how similar until I had the fortunate opportunity to review her latest book, Sacred Demise: Walking the Spiritual Path of Industrial Civilization's Collapse. This fine text, and her generous appreciation of my work, was the catalyst for the ongoing dialogue that this article presents............Hotspringswizardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07215356654367335612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-52029438554945408762010-01-11T13:37:39.491-08:002010-01-11T13:37:39.491-08:00http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBucZGaRajU&NR=...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBucZGaRajU&NR=1rockpickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15705284555868707898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-26697542933110589702010-01-11T12:07:30.252-08:002010-01-11T12:07:30.252-08:00I just ordered the Thunderbolts DVD, "Symbols...I just ordered the Thunderbolts DVD, "Symbols of an Alien Sky," Rockpicker. Looks like a good thing to watch while attempting to deal with the current disaster scenarios. This date,01-11-10, seems like one that the PTB who are into numerology might find significant. Friggin' New Moon on Friday (read that possible attack on Iran), the opening of the Olympics, the closing of the Canadian parliament for the duration, the interpol thing, the earthquake off the coast of Eureka (where my grandsons live),etc. etc. has got me wired. Damn! Where's my fluoride?freeacrenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-77266250123856542112010-01-11T10:56:54.172-08:002010-01-11T10:56:54.172-08:00Why was this action necessary?
palooka say they w...Why was this action necessary?<br /><br />palooka say they will tell you that the global policio is doing us a great big fat favor as hot on the trail of big bad u no hoo's and thus should not be annoyed by or saddled with such petty threats.<br /><br />oh my! the wv arrives appropo once again... anozygie! amazing how syncronicious they can be!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-24740840542159003322010-01-11T09:14:41.417-08:002010-01-11T09:14:41.417-08:00excerpt from:
Obama and the Global Police: More F...excerpt from:<br /><br />Obama and the Global Police: More Friendly Fascism?<br />By John W. Whitehead<br />1/8/2010<br /><br /><br />"But when you compile all the changes, the amended text of the Executive Order reads:<br /><br /> Property and assets of international organizations, wherever located and by whomsoever held, shall be immune from search, unless such immunity be expressly waived, and from confiscation. The archives of international organizations shall be inviolable.<br /><br />The key here is the word "inviolable," which means that Interpol assets, records and other property are no longer subject to the search and seizure provisions of the Fourth Amendment, nor are they subject to public scrutiny under the Freedom of Information Act.<br /><br />It should come as little surprise that when the White House issued the amended executive order on December 17, 2009, it issued no press releases and thus generated little in the way of media attention. It must be said, however, that had George W. Bush attempted to slip something like this through a week before Christmas, he would have and should have been soundly lambasted by the media.<br /><br />Frankly, we should be hearing more about Obama's EO 12425--from the White House, from Congress, from the media. In fact, Congress should be holding hearings on the ramifications of allowing Interpol to operate with complete autonomy outside the strictures of the Constitution and above the rule of law in this country."<br /><br />full article here:<br /><br />http://www.rutherford.org/articles_db/commentary.asp?record_id=630<br /><br />Why was this action necessary?rockpickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15705284555868707898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-44826781980539800492010-01-11T09:04:04.808-08:002010-01-11T09:04:04.808-08:00we do not allow science to be pushed, any further,...we do not allow science to be pushed, any further, in the direction of religion.rockpickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15705284555868707898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-34296737201130424142010-01-11T08:37:04.002-08:002010-01-11T08:37:04.002-08:00ras... no offense taken on my end. i agree with m...ras... no offense taken on my end. i agree with most of what you say there. The exception i take is with the claim that "we are the primary cause." <br /><br />why? <br /><br />because this single stmt has done more to poison the air around what is truely a very serious matter than we could afford!! we've shot ourselves in the foot with it. maybe in the heart. what we need to understand here is that when we make that claim we better be able to back it up. and the fact is we can't. whats that lead to? it leads to conclusions that everything else is bullshit too. iow, the entire environmental movement has been set back by it. I know, the conclusion DOES NOT FOLLOW. but it is what happens. hell, we can see this leaning in that direction in our little venture into discussion of the matter right here around the fire. and we're all pretty much on the same page. iow, being for one thing is construed as being<br />against its opposite and vice versa. first graders know better but we've somehow grown out of that elementary wisdom.<br /><br />energetically, metaphysically, this dynamic that has happened is called reversal. that is, energy going back on itself. this is assuming that out on the leading edge of it and mixed within it there is good intent. despite evidence now to the contrary i believe that motive was there. and still is held so by many of us who realize we are killing ourselves and our home. prob is our experts went all-in on a bluff and got called. whats more, we backed them. we went all-in with them when we bought the claim. the opponents didn't have to do a damn thing. all they had to do was wait for the proponents to fuck themselves. have we? boy howdy!!<br /><br />the bottom line is we simply did not need to make this claim. when it was made by proclaimed experts and well-meaners and then we, as the concerned, bought into it as the be-all-end-all we set ourselves up for this reversal. i believe we stood a much greater chance of educating, informing, mitigating, changing had we not hung our success on it. we have plenty of evidence we can back up. so why did we make it? could it have been out of desperation? probably. and what's now worse is that experts and their salesmen, like gore for example, are being exposed as having scammed the issue.<br /><br />now that we're all-in and been called what do we do now? ...pAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-87934325271634557902010-01-11T06:36:59.154-08:002010-01-11T06:36:59.154-08:00http://www.thunderbolts.info/
thunderblogs/thornhi...http://www.thunderbolts.info/<br />thunderblogs/thornhill.htm <br /><br />I don't disagree that the climate appears to be wacked.<br /><br />I also don't think western developed nations need to surrender their national sovereignty, or voluntarily<br />pauperize themselves, in order to reduce global carbon output.<br /><br />Then there is the claim from those who follow the research that ALL THE PLANETS HAVE BEEN WARMING in the last thirty years, or so, AND, EARTH'S CURRENT NASTY WEATHER SEEMS TIED TO AN EXTENDED SOLAR MINIMUM.<br /><br />Obama just signed an executive order allowing Interpol to set up camp inside the U.S. I have to think this is part of how a nation surrenders.<br /><br />Before you get too excited about "fact" of global warming, read Wallace Thornhill's piece. Here is that link again.<br /><br />http://www.thunderbolts.info/<br />thunderblogs/thornhill.htm<br /><br />wv- ressessirockpickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15705284555868707898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-67385123036986656032010-01-11T03:50:13.433-08:002010-01-11T03:50:13.433-08:00Ok, I feel a rant coming on, so no one take it per...Ok, I feel a rant coming on, so no one take it personal.<br /><br />About climate change: Do you really think that dumping millions of tons of CO2 and methane out of tailpipes every single day is a good thing? Or that it at least has no effect on the atmosphere? Bullshit.<br /><br />Climate change is real, and it is dangerous. Does it have other factors besides human involvement? Yes, but we are the primary cause.<br /><br />Has it been co-opted for political purposes? Yes, just as the entire environmental movement has been.<br />Is Al Gore an ass and his documentary full of propaganda? Yes.<br /><br />Does any of that negate what we are doing to the planet, or that we need to stop it? No. Find the real data, and stop listening to all the fearmongers and conspiracy theorists on all sides. And for God's sake, be sure you understand the difference between <b>weather</b> and <b>climate</b> or no one with any knowledge is going to take you seriously.<br /><br />Also remember that climate change is only symptom of the terminal disease that afflicts our culture: industrial civilization. The other symptoms are water depletion, soil depletion, etc.RASnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-900671458188709604.post-6903280899960378632010-01-10T23:27:02.607-08:002010-01-10T23:27:02.607-08:00Thank you Belgium (SATS), Rockpicker, and p (Paloo...Thank you Belgium (SATS), Rockpicker, and p (Palooka), and Murph for taking the time to share your thoughts so cogently. It's very complicated and the politics and economic factors are so convoluted that, to me, it's practically stupefying. And then, by the time you do end up figuring it out, another several million people will have been born, making everything worse in any case.<br /> Murph heats the workshop with a woodstove. So, we're putting carbon into the air. And everybody has that is a member of an indigenous tribe throughout time and it's been no real problem. Until industrialization and commercial oil production. Then the population hocky-sticked, and now everything is dying. The air is connected to the water and the land. There's really only one big problem - us. Going on nine billion of us. Until we get rid of the lump in the python, we're fucked. Whether we fry, choke, drown, starve. or die of pestilence or war, there's no getting around the consequences of our malignant numbers.... and NOBODY seems to be willing to deal with the one thing that matters the most.<br /> Well, maybe they are... let's see if we can get through this month without any nukes going off ... although bio-warfare would make more sense, since it wouldn't wreck the real estate.freeacrenoreply@blogger.com