Friday, June 5, 2009


from Murph and Freeacre

At least around our place, the warmer weather and unseasonable rains are keeping us hopping. We are very close to having everything planted that we intended to plant. We put out the request for people to send photos of their efforts in the garden area and to provide food for them selves. This posting is about these efforts.

Isn’t it amazing that there is all the talk on the web about the economic collapse, increased cost of most everything, including food, and yet few sites talk and show what efforts are going into doing something about it on an individual level.

I just finished reading a book a friend loaned us; “Everything I Want to Do Is Illegal” by Joel Salatin. It talks about many of the problems with organic growing, general small farm problems, and the effort of the big food producers to eliminate the small growers and farmers markets. Recommended reading if you want to know what appears to me as a right on evaluation. The book left me wanting to chew nails.

Here are pictures from Caroline, an esteemed elder of our campfire, who lives on a 40 ft. city lot in the Central Valley of California. It shows what she has been able to do with a small 24 ft x 24 ft patio area. She says, "That's a tangelo in the right corner, raspberries next to it and a grape vine that's loaded with perlettes. I'll cover them with bags made of mesh later in the summer to keep the mockingbird and jay out of them. Then, when they're ripe, I'll put them in the trays from a dehydrator and set them (over a pan of water to keep the ants out) in the sun. In no more than 3 days, I'll have enough raisins to last me a year!" She also has mint, spinach, and salad greens. In a square of dirt, about 10x12 ft, she has a lemon tree, big compostpile, asperagus, tomatoes and butternut squash.

The next picture shows the free form planters that she has designed and built. She writes,
"The other pic is back by the house, where I'm rebuilding the planter.
It's not very clear what is going on. The backbone of the planter is
plastic-coated wire fencing. That's covered with plastic sheeting and
then shade cloth. The bottom couple of inches of the fencing is bent
90 degrees to go under the dirt, and is held in place with assorted
bricks I found lying around. Then every couple of feet, about half-way
up the sides, I put wires across to keep the sides from spreading when
it's full of dirt. This time, I'm trying strengthening the fencing
with the plastic landscaping board you can see running along the edge.
It ordinarily doesn't go there.

I've grown strawberries and all kinds of veggies in these planters --
they're about 8 inches deep and 3 ft across.

Thanks so much, Caroline, for sharing your efforts with us. It helps to show the differing ways that we can all work with what we've got to be part of the solution to the localization movement.

Here are some progress photos of our efforts.

Small very early lettuce box in greenhouse, we've been eating off it for around 6 weeks now, it just keeps right on growing back.

Keenly aware of photo op with Betty Boop, one of the new pullets.

Momma and litter, almost big enough to separate into another cage.

Shallot, onion and garlic bed

Sorta looks like a bald eagle chick. Supposed to be an aracana. Named her Alya because she looks so different from all the other chickens.

Now for some photos of one of our neighbors efforts. The lady works 10-14 hours per day on this and is an example of a real self sufficiency operation.

Blooming fruit trees and part of potato beds.

Chicken palace.

Onion and garlic beds

Climbing peas and bean beds.

Strawberry beds and berry bushes.

I reckon this is enough for today. A lot of new ideas for us to try in these photos. Our raspberry plants aren't doing so good. Don't know why. Blackberries want to take over everything.

Have a good week folks.


Anonymous said...

Good Lord! You still have lettuce in June!
That was March here (W TX) - already in
the upper 90s! Picked tomatoes (cherry, roma/pear) and peppers today (bell, banana, jalapeno-- the chilis and habanero not yet). I like the elephant garlic and Korean garlic from Nichols Garden Nursery in OR.
Have bought Nichols' heirloom and olde tyme seed varieties since 1972. Lettuce, cilantro and such will quickly bolt after April here.

murph said...


We are at 4500 ft. It can be 80-90 degrees during day and freeze or close to it at night. We have a short growing season, can't grow corn at all. Last year we had lettuce clear up to last of Oct when it froze hard enough to stop all growth. The key is to keep cutting leaves off. Won't bolt unless you let them go. Tomatoes are a while off for us yet.

Yup, we go for the heirloom seeds also. Get most of them from Territorial seed house. Generally, I plan to let some of the onions and garlic bolt and save the seeds. Will over winter quite a bit also, particularly the walking onions, which we have quite a bit planted. Haven't heard of Nichols' outfit. \Will have to look into them.

Thanks for the comment. I gather you live in a lot warmer area than we do. We covered the garden tonight with frost blankets because it will get down close to frost temps. Too much work put into it to take the chance. I didn't build a fire for the greenhouse but anticipate may have to for a few days coming up.

freeacre said...

Actually, we got a lot of our supplies (like the frost blankets) from Territorial Seed Co., but most of our seeds this year came from Baker Creek Seed Co. Some from other heritage seed companies.

freeacre said...

I envy you your peppers. We have yet to grow even one! Finally had one started, and a hen snuck into the greenhouse through an open window and ate the darn thing. Rats!

Anonymous said...

Yep, the peppers are early here in the TX desert. Stir-fried a large bell and tomatoes with other vegs
last night.
Supposed to be 99F today, so better get out & deal with the crabgrass.
The drought also makes it a challenge for 3 years and the gyppy well water (Mg sulfate).
Gardening was easier in Colo. and I recall the Nichol's Japanese radishes almost as big as footballs! N. ID was more a challenge.
Anyone know how to compost live oak leaves? I find they dont do well. Also our large oaks secrete some herbicide from their roots for competitor plants.
BTW I don't know if there's a connection, but in the middle of the 'tomato patch' we have a large rosemary bush and syrian rue, and a datura bush. Since their maturity, no more tomato worms! Altho the rue, fennel & dill make for a butterfly garden and I have had to cull some of the innumerable spicebush swallowtail caterpillars before they decimate all the plants!
(Yes, I am a nightshade family fan, and all of these vegs, potatoes, datura, tobacco etc. will rapidly suck the N and K from your soil, so compost & wood-ash liberally so the garden doesnt end up looking like the tobacco wastelands of NC and VA.
Cant decide whether I prefer the datura white and purple flowers or the ipomoea pearly gates. The bees (yes we still have some) prefer the datura (stromonia, tintula &c) & it brings them to the tomato patch. BTW Nichols has some old vintage morning glories in colors Id not seen, brownish/magenta, etc.

Anonymous said...

That's interesting about the rosemary and tomatoes. I have a large rosemary about 10 ft from my tomatoes, and had noticed last year I didn't have any worms, while years ago, they were all over the tomatoes. Tis possible there's a connection, and I may move my rosemary closer to the tomatoes.

Because, in my digging up my planter the other day, tho I found a chrysalis of one, tho. The shell had turned into the shape of the nighthawk moth, so I'm assuming it was almost ready to morph (forgot the actual word). I tossed it over the fence in hopes the birds would find it.

Murph, your lettuce looks wonderful. Bugs have eaten most of my salad greens, and my spinach has started to bolt. I'll replant all -- soon.

I have tomatoes forming and (Dang, I wish this computer would learn how to spell tomatoes) even a butternut squash already.
I don't have much luck with peas, and have had no luck at all with beans.

And I don't know about "esteemed" being connected to me, but I will accept "elder". I can't believe my 77th b'day will arrive in two weeks ! Who ever thought of getting that old? I was reminded of how nice it was when we were young and knew so much, by a comment on Ruppert's column this morning -- you old people get out of the way and let us fix it all. I am constantly aware of how much I *still* don't know or understand.


RAS said...

My gardening efforts are being hindrered this year by the fact that two dogs -one a very overexuberant puppy -keep getting into the garden beds. We've fenced most of the garden, but we still lack part of it and need to put in another $30 to finish the fence. ;-(

What we're (trying to grow): greens, sweet potatoes, squash, tomatoes, peppers, radishes, carrots

Anonymous said...

From Belgium,

The last photo of the previous post shows a small strip of garden which lies after the place where I live. It doesn’t belong to me but the local authority so initially I had some doubts about making a garden from it. Since the season was pushing on and I didn’t want all the hassle of asking permission and then waiting for someone to make a decision, I went for it and just ‘borrowed’ it. As you can see it is not that big but it is a little bigger than it looks on the photo since the perspective is compressed. All my neighbours are ok with what I am doing so no one should be the wiser but if at sometime I have to put it back to grass then that is the way it goes. At the very back there is a chain link fence with a field of nettles behind and I have to say the area is quite shady from some mature trees so this year at least is an experiment to see what will grow and what will not. Because I am starting at the end of May I didn’t have the time to raise seeds so I bought advanced seedlings from local markets. I cannot double trench because the ground is crisscrossed with tree roots so all I have done is clear the ground and turn it over to one spade deep where possible, level it out roughly and planted the seedlings with bagged garden compost mixed in. This ground is quite sandy so most plants will like a bit of water retention compost.

The things I have put in so far are:

10 Cauliflower
10 White cabbage
10upright cabbage
5 red cabbage
10 Belgian endives (part of the chicory family)
20 celery
10 curly lettuce green
5 curly lettuce red
10 Cos lettuce
50 Leeks
Plus a rhubarb plant which I know I can’t use this year.

The leeks didn’t get any compost since I read they like a plain sandy soil. These were about 8 - 9 inches tall when I bought them and were quite weak stemmed. After a week and a half they are just starting to stand up for themselves.

I bought a pre cooked chicken from the supermarket which an unusual thing for me to do but it was mainly to get the packaging which was a black plastic base with a clear plastic top. This is my new incubator for starting carrots on my kitchen window ledge. This week I bought another to start rape type turnips.

For now I didn’t want to get too fancy and start growing legumes and pulses or any of the more exotic stuff which requires covering up.

This is all quite fun and I am taking the view that what doesn’t grow, doesn’t grow and what we have is what we have. I will keep you up to date with how it goes.

freeacre said...

ras, Belgium, et al,
I am so happy that you are experimenting and starting to garden! There are always unanticipated problems when you are starting out (and continuing). It is a learning process, so whatever you can learn this year will be good for next year, when it may be even more important to be able to produce something substantial. Plus, it gets your neighbors thinking about it as well, so it's a sort of public service. If this campfire does nothing else, I think we can pride ourselves with actually moving through the bitching about everything stage, to getting on with boots on the ground activity. Yea!
Today, we butchered four rabbits and separated meat from bone and I am marinating the meat now in a combination of soy sauce, white wine, Thai sweet chili sauce, Thai seasoning of lemongrass, ginger, and garlic. Tomorrow, we will fire up the smoker and see if we can make some rabbit jerky. At first, I was feeling like Hannibal Lecter. But then, I decided it would be better to access my Inner Indian Maiden instead of "Hannibal"... felt a lot better from

Anonymous said...

What a tidy garden! Mine is the usual mass of food locked in mortal combat with weeds, but then "weeds" are food for the pig.

The asparagus slows down as the peas come to glory, strawberries giving out in time to soon pick blackberries.

And finally, after five years, a hen emerged from the woods with 6 chicks under wing. I actually stopped working, sat on a bucket and watched them for an hour.

These are the things that make me right with the world. Trumps house fires, ho ho!

murph said...


Thanks for the comment. Read about your house fire. What a bitch.

At this time, the garden plants are growing faster than the weeds, so fairly easy to keep up with them. We have had really unusual weather, very wet for this area and time of year. We are experimenting with close growing to help crowd out weeds and hold soil dampness, along with companion planting.

You saw the pics of the one woman who spends enormous time on her gardening? Now there is a tidy garden, lol.

We are trying a new breed of chicken this year to see if they will go broody. So far after 4 years of chickens, none have shown the inclination. The pics of the chicken palace show a new flock started of Buff Orphington breed that I've heard do go broody, at least that is what they are counting on. Maybe next year we will try some of them. I like the tinted egg layers, lol. Looks neat in the egg box mixed with the brown ones. So far, consistently, for the last 4 years we get over 50% every day in eggs. Considering we have 5 of 9 hens over 3 years old, not bad.

Thanks for the visit and good luck.

Baz said...

Goose sh*t around the raspberries--grow like weeds! Yeah, you have to physically transport the *manure* (bucket) from the lawn to them. But haven't touched a lawn-mower in 7 years! Feel like Brad Pitt in Tibet. Raspberries are fenced-off of course (some netting and bamboo stakes)--Sebastapols would munch on them otherwise.

Great sentries also, (Gooses) for the security-minded. Used back in the '20s in the 'Prohibition Era' to warn 'bootleggers' of imminent G-men.

Came on this Low-impact-living article in my local rag today--living off the land, going back to a way of life before fossil fuels, for the eco-conscious, or even mortgage-harrassed. Comes with pics!

Welsh woodland hobbit house built for a song

"What was initially for me a love of the countryside has turned into a complex understanding of how we relate to the land," Mr Dale said. It's a quiet revolution

murph said...


Oh yeah, geese are great alarm system. Putting up with the ganders can be a pain though. Mean suckers normally. Not many geese around here to harvest goose poop though. Have to make do with chicken, horse and rabbit poop, and of course compost. I suspect that our climate may have something to do with lack of growth. Not sure. Maybe soil isn't acidic enough. Looking at the problem. Maybe compost pine needles to make more acidic.

I've seen hobbit houses some time ago on other sites. There is some location where the whole community was designed that way. Don't remember where now. Neat structures for sure.

We butchered 4 rabbits yesterday and presently are in smoker, see what we get.

Not so sure a real revolution has actually started. There are at least a few people out there doing it which is encouraging. It's going to be a long road I think.

Dave said...

Your yard looks gorgeous - so comfy.

Dave - Erstwhile Urban Wanderer

RAS said...

We finally got most of the garden in yesterday. Tomatoes, peppers, sweet potatoes, basil, and squash. It sure took us long enough, but things have been crazy with the move and non-move.

freeacre said...

We made some kick-ass jerky from rabbit yesterday. I'm going to give you the recipe that I made up for the marinade. It would be good for turkey as well:
1 cup soy sauce
1 cup Thai Sweet Chili sauce
1/2 cup white wine (Pinot Grigio)
1 Tbl. Thai seasoning (lemongrass, ginger, garlic)
1/2 cup brown sugar
Marinate the meat overnight. Smoke or dehydrate until it's jerky. YUM!!

Anonymous said...

Nice garden shots. Man, I wish I had an acre of land to do a bunch of stuff with. Right now we only a small plot in the back yard. But, since I got rid of some scraggly bushes on the side of the house and replaced them with strawberries, my wife comes in the house with two hands full of strawberries. And that's pretty cool -especially in the morning when we put them in our cereal. Yyyummeee!

Hey, don't know if ya'll remember a video I posted a while back with this dude ranting about the gov, but he's back... and he's NOT happy.


Palooka's Revenge said...

off topic but relevant to larger pix... see george ure's entry for this morning at...

... for his comments regarding global coastal event... p

freeacre said...

Another good link is the first story on today's LATOC,
The graphs in this article tell the story of the depression we are just entering that is truly mind-blowing. Our economy is toast.

Anonymous said...

From Belgium,

Thanks fort that link Freecre, even I could understand those graphs. Do you remember the part of the On the Beach” story where one Australian dock worker came down with radiation sickness and everybody said “Oh what does it matter to us, it’s only one docker”. The answer was “No it’s not just one docker, the radiation is Here - Now”. The financial crisis is now at the one docker stage. I am again going to quote from my favourite ‘doom with facts’ site GEAB. In their opening sentence they refer to the current situation as “financial surrealism”. And further “…..the desperate attempts to rescue the global financial system, particularly the American and British systems, have de facto "broken navigational instruments".

“This popping out of traditional referential frameworks is speeding up, affecting increasing numbers of sectors and countries, enhancing the loss of meaning of indicators used daily or monthly by stock markets, governments, or official sources of statistics, and accelerating the widespread awareness that "the usual indicators" can no longer give any insight, or even represent the current world developments. The world will thus reach summer 2009 without any reliable references available.”!-Global-systemic-crisis-June-2009-When-the-world-steps-out-of-a-sixty-year-old-referential_a3248.html

murph said...


Had a little trouble accessing that site but finally found the key. Interesting perspective for sure.

Anonymous said...

From Belgium,

This is an interesting lecture on the disappearing American middle class.

There are lots of examples of what is happening but nothing on why it is happening. There are many examples of changing goalposts but no mention of who it is that are changing the goalposts. There are no explanations of why people are getting less for more but overall it was good for the reasonably well to do and by way of the internet, the rest of us, to have the demographics pushed in our face. Maybe someday we will get mad enough to do something about it.

RAS said...

Our garden is in, thankfully. And doing well. I think the peppers will flower soon. We have pimentos and cayennes this year. I think we'll mix the pimentos with some of the cheese we can get from the Amish for homemade and organic pimento cheese. Yum.

murph said...


Problem is for most people, I suspect, is even if mad, what could be done. Outside of active revolution and taking out of the perpetrators of this massive financial fraud, How do you go up against a massive powerful government with military might supporting it.

I still am finding people that are adamant supporters of the neocon objectives and policies. Of course the popular movement today is in support of the supposedly liberal objectives and policies, which I see as being the same as the the neocon's. That is, more and more control of populations by the elite 1%-5% of the population. Until people actually reject this control in some manner, it will continue. I see no way to accomplish this by working within the system in place.


Neat, glad you have the garden going. We have been suffering under very cool weather so far and growth has slowed right down. Supposed to be warming up this week, so we shall see how it goes. We also have been threatened with hail and freezing temps so we are constantly going out and covering the garden areas. So far, no damage.

murph said...


Take a look at this article. Quite a rant and so true.

Anonymous said...

Hey, gang, while looking at a new crop circle documentary last night, I came across a new 9/11 documentary that's well worth seeing. It's in German, with subtitles, so it's slow going, but it's very thorough. Here's the site:

Nights are still too cold here to put out peppers or tomatoes. I'm still prepping beds, and getting the grass out of paths. We've been pulling quackgrass and laying down ground cloth in the pathways, then covering with old hay.

Potatoes, four beds, are all doing well. Spinach, chard, cilantro in the cold frame has started feeding us. The raspberries I transplanted last year came in heavy this year, and are competing aggressively with the quackgrass, which I have not yet figured how to eliminate. Looks like I'll have to dig up and move the berries at the end of the season, then go for the quackgrass.

It's been very dry here, and the nights have been cold. Two Thai peppers have flower buds. One tomato flower opened in the greenhouse today.

BTW, here's the link to the crop circle movie:

Belgium and Murph, read a good article yesterday on rense. You might find it interesting.

Just got back from the gulag, (job out of town) and trying to catch-up with the Clan's going's- ons, as well as garden and such.

I would have sent pix of stuff by now, but my camera is programmed to take HUGE photos, and I have to downsize them before I can send them, which is usually a minor inconvenience, only now my Adobe Photo Deluxe won't open, and I don't have another program I'm familiar with to take it's place.

Anybody have a slug problem, and a good solution? I'm mulching heavily with old hay, and I've already seen enough baby slugs to know we'll be fighting with them later in the year. I don't want to use salt. And feeding them beer is alcohol abuse.


freeacre said...

Well, this is sorta sick, but when I lived in Portland, OR, years ago there was this unforgettable news show that explained how to get rid of slugs (practically the state animal in Oregon). You gather up some slugs (banana slugs can get a foot long), put them in a blender, add some water, and fire it up! Probably want to use an old blender... Anyway, then put the nasty liquid in a spray bottle and just spray anything you don't want eaten by slugs. Horrible, but it's supposed to work.

Anonymous said...

From Belgium

Rp I will catch the links tomorrow, nearly beddybyes here. Re the slugs, two old gardener’s tricks which may or may not work for you. The first one is a saucer of beer near the plants in question. Slugs are real alcoholics but their system can’t take it and they keel over of alcohol poisoning. The second should be an easy one for you and that is a circle of gravel round each plant. They don’t like dragging their soft underbellies over the sharp corners. Anyway you now have three things to experiment with. Good luck.

RAS said...

RP, feeding slugs alcohol isn't alcohol abuse if you feed them some crappy beer like Bud or Miller. That is just preventing some poor slob from drinking that crap, in my not-so-humble opinion. Now, if you wanted to give them some real beer...

Walk-about is doing real well, or it seems. The sales figures haven't migrated into my account yet. But it's been selling off Amazon and some other sites.

Anonymous said...


Thanks a lot. That was the tip I was looking for. I think I may try the efficacy of hot peppers, just to find out if they work. Have an ant problem I may try the hot pepper/horseraddish mix on. Did you know ants 'farm' aphids? They do. If you have fruit trees, ants will establish and maintain aphid infestations. Something the aphids provide that the ants like.


Anonymous said...

Slow-mo gardening these days here in Mormon HQ due to rain and cool temps every friggin day. Hopefully it'll dry out and heat-up here soon. I think my tomatoes are getting really pissed-off at me. I see them looking at me strange-like... probably thinking, "I had it good in that greenhouse, man. Bastard rookie gardener"

You know, Papst Blue Ribbin kills PEOPLE so it'll probably do pretty well against slugs also.

Hey, that recipe for slug smoothies sounds just yyummee! Something like the "Bassomatic" on SNL a good while ago. Later -


Anonymous said...

Hey everyone. Just got done reading Kunstler's "Clusterfuck Nation" and he was ranting about the economic and transportation situation in a few areas and I was wondering what the economic scene looks like elsewhere around the campfire.

Here in Mormon HQ, not much has changed in the past 12 months. The unemloyment rate has gone up and home values have gone down, but not like what I've heard going on in a good many parts of the country. The malls are full of people, the restuarants are packed, the Lowes and Home Depots are full of rookie and pro gardeners, etc.

How's it where you are?


murph said...


It is interesting to me to observe how things are not really making observable gross changes in most areas. Yes, the people losing their house, or car, or whatever because of the recession are hurting. Yes, the price of gas is going back up and groceries are still going up. But it appears so far that it is not hurting enough people severely enough to start a general panic. Life just keeps limping along. Oregon, where we live, has the highest unemployment rate next to Michigan. The idiots in the government are still talking about expansion and money flow and taxes and social programs and all kinds of stuff and the money just isn't there. Most seem to believe that this whole financial mess will be over by next year and we will be back to the happy 90's again.

In our area also, there are a lot of new gardeners coming on line. Gardening here is difficult enough it will be interesting to see how many can make it work. We have had a lot of people quizzing us about how we are doing it. I know of several home built new greenhouses that have gone up.

Our next photos of what is happening here will show quite a difference from the last bunch. Greenhouse is finally starting to take off. We are finally getting a series of warm sunny days.

I have eaten the last of the rabbit smoked jerky. Now I wish we had a 100 rabbits. lol. Jeez that was good.

Anonymous said...

My city made one of the lists for most houses for sale, or highest unemployment, or both lists. The city is cutting their expenses, including (gasp) golf course maintenance. But our new city manager is getting $20,000 per year car allowance.

And the road people are still planning a 16-lane thruway to connect with SR99, and are moaning because they can't get the support for widening 99. (It goes down the center of CA, and is a great truck route.)

A complete disconnect with reality here.

I have four sons spread literally across the country. They are all sobered by what is happening to them and their brothers, but they don't seem to have gotten the idea that things will not bounce back "next year".

On Mon., Kunstler mentioned our plans for high speed rail. I doubt very much that it will go thru. There's too much entrenched opposition to it. And it costs way too much for what benefit it MAY give. One man at a meeting about it that I went to a number of years back, said what they should do was coordinate the schedules of the rail and bus lines that they have now. Much simpler, cost much less -- but not high tech nor splashy, so it was never even considered so far as I know.

On the bright side, tho, is an article on about an urban gardening college course in downtown Detroit. Wayne State Univ. is right downtown, and brings in kids from the whole area, so this is wonderful. And Detroit, of all places, needs something forward-looking like that.

It seems so strange to me to realize it has collapsed so completely because when I was young, Detroit was vibrant and I couldn't get my husband to leave the area, because it was where the money was. I stayed until my youngest was thru high school, and have never been back.


Palooka's Revenge said...

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the report also makes you elegible to register at the web bot discussion forum. some pdg threads going there.

in context of the death of the dollar meme which has been all over the reports for several months now...

i don't often post something like this without checking out first. source, pov of source, potential agendas, etc. in this case chris hedges and economist michael hudson. neither of which i'm familar with. hedges quotes from a hudson writing published in yesterday's financial times (which i am familar with)...

"I called Hudson, who has an article in Monday’s Financial Times called “The Yekaterinburg Turning Point: De-Dollarization and the Ending of America’s Financial-Military Hegemony.” “Yekaterinburg,” Hudson writes, “may become known not only as the death place of the czars but of the American empire as well.” His article is worth reading, along with John Lanchester’s disturbing exposé of the world’s banking system, titled “It’s Finished,” which appeared in the May 28 issue of the London Review of Books.

“This means the end of the dollar,” Hudson told me. “It means China, Russia, India, Pakistan, Iran are forming an official financial and military area to get America out of Eurasia. The balance-of-payments deficit is mainly military in nature. Half of America’s discretionary spending is military. The deficit ends up in the hands of foreign banks, central banks. They don’t have any choice but to recycle the money to buy U.S. government debt. The Asian countries have been financing their own military encirclement. They have been forced to accept dollars that have no chance of being repaid. They are paying for America’s military aggression against them. They want to get rid of this.”

those are some pretty disturbing words. i'm not surprised. could they be waking up over there? are they mad as hell and not gonna take it anymore?

i'm just getting back from a trip and back in saddle. anyone seen any news reporting on this meeting?

murph said...


Have to think about buying the hph offer.

I had read the article you outlined. I thought it was right on. Problem as I see it, there seems to be no connection made of the financial and everything else going on. Financial and economics treated as a discreet entity. Big mistake I think.

According to one article I read lately the Eastern countries that hold our paper are using it to buy hard goods and future control of some resource. I think this is going to be a hard bumpy road.

murph said...


Congrats on the new titles. Enjoy them while you can. lol

All this spending and such is fueled by the paradigm that it can't happen here, things will get better soon, meaning hunting suckers up with money to spend will go back to the happy 90's. We are not a nation getting ready for hard times, we are a nation in denial of hard times. So sad in a way.

Cripes, the whole Detroit area was becoming unlivable for the most part back in the 80's. By the late 90's, it would have been a tough decision on my part to even drive through that area of the country. Course, I felt that way about St Louis and Chicago too.

I figure people better start looking at how they are going to feed themselves pretty soon. Not to discount what is happening to our food supply right now. The more I read about the food supply contamination and adulteration the more concerned I get.

On dear, one of us it going to have to get a new post up. Sigh, what to talk about.

RAS said...

On the surface things here look fine. People are still going to work and such. But then you look deeper and you see that the unemployment rate (officially) is at 6% in the county, there are lines out the door at DHR and the unemployment office, the food pantry's all have bare shelves, and the rosy glow starts to fade a little. Strip malls are losing stores like no one's business. A creeping decay has set in.

Has anyone else seen the shortages? A lot of stores are having trouble stocking things. The other day we went to Wal-mart and the produce section was practically bare. The selection of other things (including dried beans) has gone down dramatically.

BTW, if anyone liked my story of last year, please pass the word and let people know that it's out in print. It's available at Amazon, Barnes and Noble, Books a Million, and at least 12 other sites.

rockpicker said...


Doesn't it feel good to be home?

I read that piece by Hedges to Oldensoul last night. The confidence in his voice is spooky.

There's a video on Brasscheck we should see, as it is a speech by Elizabeth Warren.

Here's the link:


rockpicker said...

Oy, here's another one.

-rp, while on sabbatical from the Ministry of Earthworm Relocation and Noxious Weed Abatement, (MERNWA).

Palooka's Revenge said...

rp.... home? you betcha! i'll check out your link.

murph... oh, i agree. its as if... see one, be one!

i had some time so i did some checking. not so much on hedges but on FT for the hudson article and came up empty. a site search of his name resulted in 2 hits which amount to a two part article published that are the article hedges quotes from only its under the title "washington is unable to call all the shots"...

sunday, 14th...

continued monday, 15th...

also found Medvedev's speach to the summit...

it is broad reaching touching on a number of issues apparently discussed at the summit. here's a clip to the part of his speach pertinent to the death of the dollar meme...

"We talked about how to promote a number of economic programmes in addition to using various financial instruments. That discussion began yesterday and I think that our colleagues will obviously want to say more about it. I am referring to increasing the importance of various national currencies in mutual settlements to avoid becoming too dependent on the problems associated with one or more reserve currencies, as well as putting some of our foreign exchange reserves in our partners' financial instruments.
I think that this is also extremely important because no monetary system, certainly not the global monetary system, can succeed if the financial instruments it uses are denominated in a single currency. And as we know this is currently the case with the American dollar.

Of course we must strengthen the international monetary system, not only by strengthening the dollar but also by creating new reserve currencies with the possibility of perhaps eventually creating supra-national means of payment and renumeration."

there's more. but got this message when i tried to pub... Your HTML cannot be accepted: Must be at most 4,096 characters

Palooka's Revenge said...

prev post continued...

all that led to doing some checking on the shanghi cooperative organization. found an analysis at dandelion salad by feature writer rick rozzoff. according to him... SCO is becoming, by default, the counter or paradox to NATO and western aggression. (as it turns out chris hedges is also a featured writer for dandelion salad as well as truthdig. his piece was published there as well).

rozoff... "Leaders of SCO member states routinely deny that the organization is a military alliance or one in the process of formation or that it entertains plans to model itself after or to directly challenge NATO. The first half of the claim is perfectly true, the second may be an obligation forced on it."

just who is the Shanghi Cooperation Organization and what do they represent? according to rozoff... "Its six full members account for 60% of the land mass of Eurasia and its population is a third of the world’s. With observer states included, its affiliates account for half of the human race."

"The SCO as an institution and as a concept represents the world’s greatest potential and in ways is its major paradox as its capacities and their realization to date are so far apart."

from what has it arisen? .... "What Russia, China, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan were in fact contending with was the aftermath of the American Afghan proxy war of 1978-1992 which had spread, as its architect Zbigniew Brzezinski intended it to, into the Central Asian republics of the Soviet Union during that period and continued to expand in the region after 1991."

three of those are also members of BRIC (brazil, russia, india, china), an acronymn for the 4 countries that represent "the world’s fastest and most consistently growing economies with the largest foreign currency and gold reserves" and who have also aligned and begun holding summits.

juicy tidbits from the rozoff piece...

(this one in context of the "israeli mistake". another bot meme) "... In fact the granting of observer status to (iran) in 2005 and Ahmadinejad’s attendance at three successive heads of state summits – China in 2006, Kyrgyzstan in 2007 and Tajikistan in 2008 – played no small role in thwarting whatever plans the United States and Israel have nurtured for attacking Iran."

"...the Declaration (drafted at the 05 summit) contained both an appeal and blueprint for the sort of international order required as an antidote to the current one of unipolarity, unilateralism, cutthroat competition, cynical complacency, brute force and war."

hummm.... who be the "brute force" referred to? if one were to ask one from "over there" to give an example of who, amongst all the nations of the world, represents the very opposite of humility and cooperation a hard argument would be made that the grandiosity of u.s. power mongers and their global aggression could easily qualify as the default example with the full support and blessings of the majority of the american people. dey know dey be viewed by us as no dif den dem savage injuns!

part 3 to follow...

Palooka's Revenge said...

part 3...

the rozoff piece appears to be an excellant historical analysis of the SCO and dot connector as evidence that the u.s. is in serious trouble around the globe...

i'll wage 10 to 1 that the global powers defending against the western agenda of dominance have figured out what the mob figured out 40 years ago... going to the mattresses is DUMB! and no longer the way to wage war to gain power and dominence. send dem babies to college and teach em how to take over the system by becoming the system. and likewise, as morris dees of the southern poverty law center figured out as the way to render the KKK impotent, BREAK EM FINANCIALLY! and... if you go back and listen to some of those early bin laden tapes when it was still bin laden this is exactly what he said he was going to do.

however... when the collective survival chakras get deeply triggered reason goes out the window and all bets are off. "trains of dead bodies" (another web bot quote) will be just one result... p

Baz said...

Murph and Freeacre,

Wondering whether you received my terrific pics x2, with informative captions? Hoping they haven't been 'disappeared' somewhere in cyberspace. Email titled 'The taste of freedom'.


Paint (comes with most MicroSoft Operating Systems) is the easiest program to use for re-sizing images; ctrl and W, then the Horizontal and Vertical. Save as JPEG - voilà!, dead-easy.


--'support and blessings'--my take; Consent of Silence.

Peace, love, and mung beans amigos. 'Power to the People'.

Baz said...

Aahh .. should read; Silence of Consent. Other way round.

Bobbie said...

It was great seeing you yesterday and I want to thank you for the links!
This is a great blog and I was wondering if your neighbor is Irene ?spo

freeacre said...

I'm sorry, Baz, that we have not gotten back to you about the great picture! Thought we would have written another post by now and included it. Been busy re-modeling the kitchen. Thanks, though! We'll have it up for everybody to see. "Power to the mung beans", indeed! I just sprouted a bowl of them for salads. Yum!

Bobby. Nice to have you at the campfire. I can't verify the neighbor's name unless she identifies herself on the blog. That;'s just a convention we use to protect privacy of commenters, etc.

rockpicker said...

Here's some must-see footage from Florence, Oregon. Man, I am with this guy! Fuck the pilots and fuck the assholes directing the pilots.

This is an issue that goes to the very heart of what democracy is all about. What right could be more inalienable than the right to breathe clean air and the right to drink clean water?

I've been working in the Missoula area all winter, and we were sprayed in exactly this same manner at least four out of seven days since mid-January. I worked on my contractor buddy everyday. He finally got to the point where he was calling my attention to the persistent, spreading trails. His wife teaches high school science. She wouldn't let him watch Aaron Russo's "Freedom To Fascism". His son, now in college, and all smart and all, says I'm nuts. Right. So, I'm nuts. But, hey, genius, what's the science that explains the white lines in the sky? These twenty-something kids are trying to explain to me, of fifty-six years, that jets have always made these trails, and that they're normal.


I wrote this a couple of months ago. If I've already posted this, I apologize for the repetition. Can't hurt to reiterate, I reckon.

White Lines Over the Ruby

Since oxygen and hydrogen combine
when kerosene is incompletely burned
at thirty thousand feet in crystal air
to form a gaseous water we can't see,
but know it's there because it changes
state, cooling in the rarefied minus seventy degree
Montana sky to first, (briefly,) liquid, and then to ice,

fine particles, yes, but solid enough
to refract a wan sun. " Contrail,"
we say, looking up over garden walls,
over the ridgelines of neighboring houses.
We follow the silver bird, and its vapor,
across the sky, the two small enough
to hide behind raised fists

because ice reflecting sunlight
takes on heat and changes back
to states we only dream. So what gives
with these spreading trails in tick-tack- toe?
Is it rocket science I'm not allowed to know?
White skies replace our deep blue days.
Shouldn't we expect a little say?


rockpicker said...

Well, I'm confused.

Mogambo says it's imminent, inevitable inflation we should be worried about, as the governments are printing money like there's no tomorrow.

But Ellen Brown says just the opposite; it's deflation we should be concerned about.

So who's right?


freeacre said...

Good question. Stagflation, maybe?

cryptogon says he's been expecting an imminent crash for the last fifteen years. I can identify....

Regarding the chem trails, even my son thinks I'm nuts on that one. But, you gotta keep in mind that they have seen these things as "normal" practically their whole lives! I am going to ask my friend who is an expert on contrails to write a definitive comment on these things, to give us all some verbal ammunition for skeptics. He thinks anybody who can't tell a contrail from a chemtrail is nuts.

rockpicker said...

Ask him if I got the science right?

Carole Pellat asks, 'how do you get clouds in air that is 10% relative humidity?


stoney13 said...

Still raining! Fuck rain! Hate rain! It's rained every day for the last fucking month!

This week we got some nice brisk tornados to go with our rain! I live in the North Carolina Mountains! WE DON"T GET TORNADOS IN THE NORTH CAROLINA MOUNTAINS!! At least we didn't untill this week!

Only one fatality. A car got smashed flat by a tree. So did the unfortuate woman driving it.

Got me some free hundred year old White Oak Flooing for our bedroom, which we FINALLY got moved into last night. Some northern transplant woman ripped it out of an old house she bought, so she could put in parkay. They were going to build a fire and burn it!

A neighbor of mine and I buzzed over here with his truck, and my van, and "liberated" it. The Northern Transplant Woman, (we've given her that as her new Cherokee name!) showed up while we were loading it up and was so tickled to be rid of it, she paid us wenty bucks each, and now she wants us to remove and haul off all of the "ugly old chestnut molding", all of the "heavy old six panel doors", and the entire, Mahogany double door entry with the decortive brass hardware,and hinges! (???????!!!!!!!!)

Not only is she going to give us these acient treasures, BUT SHE"S ACTUALLY GOING TO PAY US TO TAKE IT!!!!!!!

Looks like I'm going to be really busy for a week or so!!! ^_^

Haven't had much luck gardening. The only thing that will grow in these new conditions is rice, and I don't know shit about growing that!

rockpicker said...

Up your price, before she figure's out what's goin on, man.


murph said...

Damn Stoney,

Got to admit I would sure like to fall into something like that give away. Wow man, what a haul. That is so cool.

Considering the price of rice and will increase this year, might change your name to Stoneysan and start learning. lol

freeacre said...

It's great to hear from you, Stoney. I was getting worried. lol Great luck on the woodwork!!!
I don't think the weather is normal anywhere this year, is it? Maybe you should start thinking about building a raft.
Still unseasonably cold and wet here.
I wonder if those chemtrails in Florence, OR. have anything to do with the potential firing up of a missile from No. Korea. Florence is on the coast. If there is a connection to the HARP program, it could have some bearing on it. Just thinking out loud...

Anonymous said...

Salutations, me comrades in arms,
been awhile since i've gotten to putting in a few words at the council fire, am really at a loss if you can imagine that to even come up with a decent rant so will just make something up until the new post makes its way to the either and the fire.

to murph and p and sats and rockpicker, i'm glad you guys are keeping an eye on the complete insanity of nation chest bumping and the way they treat the little people.
economics is to me an exercise in the land of ''what the fuck did he just say?'' just can't get the fog to lift enough to even scratch the outside layer of what its all about.
a handshake and a i'll trade you a back rub for a cherry pie is about as complicated as this one can manage and even that can get fuzzy around the edges if its someone else''s wife for the backrub part.
so i depend upon you guys to say when to bale it up and head for the hills, which incidentally is two blocks to the east of my house.

what with all the construction of various friends projects my garden except for the ganga (which is gorgeous) is waiting for the baby hand of jesus to come in and make a nice little miracle under the still unfinished greenhouse, however i heard that god still needs money so the sick fuck will just have to wait.
not that i am anti-religious, i am anti-religion. big fucking difference on that one, religion people suck ass as far as this one is concerned,
ok so a little teeny one slipped in, darn those fingers and their independent natureous notions.
not a word? natureous? humm should be. it fits.
stoney my brother, so you bagged a big one, nice going, the great spirit still has its hands in the pie and gives up the good stuff from time to time, happens in this neck of the woods also, the dump here is open three days a week and thats pretty much the highlight of the week for this one, i mean thats the wall mart of hot springs!!! even here in this backwater place people with more money then sense throw away the most incredible shit, i am a recycle nut and repairing the older appliances (that actually had metal in them) and giving or trading them for stuff is a pure unadulterated joy.!
some of these items are thirty, forty or more years of age and just beautiful, some are museum quality and are still on full function but just don't look good next to ''my shiny new plastic picture of george bush"" fuck me in the goats ass!! makes one just come alive at the carnage of stupidity.!!DAMN ,
to be continued,

Anonymous said...

been raining pretty regular and warm comfortable days and a joy to be working outside, its strange, rockpicker's digs are just south of here not to far and he gets way different weather sometimes, but thats just one of the redeeming features of big sky country, the day to day never know what tomorrow will bring thingiee.
o yeah forgot about the horrendous cloud bursts and lighting which have been blessing this part of the state lately also, very nice but scares the living shit out of my attack dogs, which both of them on the bathroom scales way in at seven pounds,! no they are not those stupid assed looking poodles with their sleazy assed hair cuts. this is bound to get someone's fur up and for this i apologize in advance,but damn its just an opinion, right ? you got to admit though,they do look fucked up at the dog shows and seem to be aware of the people that laugh at them and try to hide their embarrassment at what their people have done to them in the name of cool.

murph, thanks for the blog site ( Eat Or Be Eaten ), that gal really makes it to me anyway impossible to back out of your own bullshit and denial, damn fine write !

Dave, hell brother i was wishing i could be in oregon on the fourth to meet you but there is a big reunion of extended family happening here in montana at that time and like i explained to freeacre, at this age many of these people will be not be here for many more years and as its been several years since we've all got together i must go.
these are friends and family from the acid days and it'll be fun to hang out and laugh at each others mutations from all the drugs we took in the sixties.
i know for certain one of them glows in the dark and speaks twenty seven languages, at least thats what i heard.
probably bullshit but hey, maybe.
some weird shit going around in them days and we just loved to take weird shit!!
the more the better.
i mean '' hey man i got some good blotter acid, want to trade for some shurms? ok but wait joe's got these outta sight peyote buttons from mexico and man they really get ya ripped,and freds got a sack of these frogs from down on the colorado river that holding their legs and licking their backs will really send you around the bend, whoa, no shit? yeah man want some, fuckin a man.
sooooo, got to go and see what the folks will bring to this maybe last trip/

anyway fingers tired, will go,
good thoughts to all of you that attend this sacred place,

ps maybe this will make it,

Anonymous said...

What up with the tiny amount of word usage?

RAS said...

Hey everyone. Well, summer has finally arrived in Alabama -with a vengenance. It's been over a 100 degrees for the past three days running. Yesterday it was 105. Now, I'm one of these people who likes summer, but even I was hot yesterday. It felt like the 7th circle of Dante's hell out there. No end in sight, and no rain either. The peppers and tomatoes and sweet potatoes love it, so long as they get water, but they're about the only ones. And te bugs -my Goddess, I've never seen the bugs this bad before! Grrrr....

I'm submitting two things for publication and applying for a grant this coming week. Keep your fingers crossed for me, please.

Stoney, wow man, congrats on the haul. Stupid woman is going to turn a beautiful old house into a piece of crap.

MF, have a good time at the reunion! Baz and Caroline, welcome to the campfire!

Anonymous said...

i don't know why it is but even in these exceptional times where so much is so fucked up even that becomes mundane on the day to day or sorta bid'ness as usual midst some uneasy feeling of... well, fucked-upedness. but then MF shows up with one of his missives and puts into words what this one can't yet can't escape either. all that stuff rolling around in the head and the heart and way down there in the belly and even further down there in the smelly is suddenly... well, well again!

i mean the guy speaks the language of his own tongue that no other speaks yet fully understands because its inside clammerin to get out but ya just can't put it quite right enuf to rest easy. then he does it for ya and all's all okay until it cycles around again and then, there he comes again and all's okay again.

thx brother. i needed that! you have a good flashback with your old gang. me, i'll just be high and highly sasified on your words as a usual yet unique and blessed reaction.

ras... dog daz here too. seems to me about a month early eh?

baz... allignment is consent. and oh ya, dat hobbit house is way cool

rp... So who's right? both!! and oh ya, slugs? copper border. frys em. not cheap even salvage these daz though. but if you can find a score like our friend stony its guaranteed to work.

stony... good score brother

caroline... you go girl!

bobbie... welcome

silent ones... your reasons are respected

m and fa... always thanks for your great work.

all... keep the dry side up... p

rockpicker said...

Brasscheck's got a must-see up by Jeffrey Smith, author of Seeds of Deception. Here's the link.

Finally began raining two days ago. Cool and wet now.

Happy solstice, everyone.

Batten the hatches and hunker down,
the Ayatollah's given the crowned
heads of Europe a place to aim
their rifled barrels of feigned ire. Oh, how life has gotten dire.
And how a crisis can be handy!
Even Henry seems a bit randy.

Phillip said...

Joel's article "Everything I want to do is illegal" is available for those without time or access to his book: Other articles by him are avaialble in the toolbox: One recent one not posted on the efficient harvesting of solar energy: Michael Hudson has also been interviewed twice in Jan08: and Jan09: Enjoy!

Phillip said...

Sorry for some reason this software left off the .pdf needed at the end of each address except for the main toolbox:

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