Sunday, August 17, 2014

Garden Peace
Freeacre

I am so sick of all these contrived wars. Israel vs. Palestine, Ukraine vs Russia, Somalia, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Egypt, and on and on. Then, there are the so-called “wars.” The “war on poverty,” “the war on drugs,” “the war on terrorism.” All these wars have resulted in almost unimaginable suffering and death. All these will have blow-back consequences resulting in ever increasing suffering and death through time.

Closer to home are the cultural wars. Republicans and Democrats, liberals and conservatives, fundamentalists and atheists, gay and straight, black and white, male and female. Beyond network news and “Jeopardy,” the Murphinator and I don't watch much television. But, at least we see some of the previews of coming attractions. Cop shows, “reality” shows, competitions like “Dancing with the Stars,” “The Great Race,” “America's Got Talent,” “Survivor,” “American Ninja.” All the hyperbole of the judges and hosts, encouraging the worst and least in people as they struggle to be the last man standing. Christ, they've even got “cup cake wars.” Give me a break.

And, when they are not watching competitions on the tube, there are always the disgusting serial killing video games featuring blood and gut-spilling action against every sort of conceivable enemy. There is a new one in which the players actually rape people.

What ever happened to co-operation, community, friendship, harmony, helpfulness?

What happened to peace?

Missing in action. Except for the garden. I gotta admit that the garden is my refuge from the war mentality. Just gazing at these wonderful, peaceful, productive, nutritious vegetables feeds my soul and calms me down.

We have survived the the 4th Annual La Pine Chicken Coop and Garden Tour just fine. Happily, the cold conditions that stunted the growth of everything in the Spring has given way to a nice hot summer which has led to impressive new growth. I served homegrown kale chips and rhubarb cooler (like a rhubarb lemonade) for the guests to sample. The rabbit blankets were on display in the tipi.

So, I thought I'd share my little patch of peace with you as an antidote to the contentious, war-filled experience. Walking down the rows of cabbage and kale and Swiss Chard, potatoes, carrots, squashes, parsnips, peas, beets, beans, onions, garlic, etc. fills me with gratitude and wonder. It seems like magic that all this can spring from the Earth.

So, let me share this space with you.

Peace.

                                                   Red lettuce from the refrigerator cold case
                                                         Bountiful year
                                              Broccoli head  lots of this year

                                          Lots of kale and French cabbage














122 comments:

izzy said...

Well, while there are pockets of peace and cooperation to be found everywhere, there's no doubt that at the meta-level, this planet is on a war footing. No wonder the aliens are playing hide-and-seek. I console myself with the understanding that's how it goes during the Kali Yuga.

Meanwhile, nature is still the great healer, and that shot of a very happy gardener underlines the point. I find much support and calming restoration in such activities myself. And there's nothing quite as good as food right out of your own back yard.

freeacre said...

Izzy,I totally agree. I just made up a recipe for beets. I sliced cylindrical beets, steamed them, and made a sauce of sour cream and orange marmalade. Yum.

Meanwhile, the Kali Yuga is in full force as the neo-cons and psychopaths head us into WWIII, and our country falls apart.

rockpicker said...

Hummingbirds buzz me. I'm bent over carrot fronds in dill.
They work the blue borage blooms, crowding pathways,
to their fill. They rest on rusting woven wire fencing
tomatoes cling to for support and breathe and go on
wuzzing the weed unwrangled morning air until care
and dare come into play, and zit, they are away.

moons and feathers said...

picker and sis.you folks make a fella just dip into a little more then kettles and chips thats for sure.
what i wanna know is how we are all gonna fit into your teepee when the shit comes down./
dean

freeacre said...

I could feel your hummingbirds, RP, and smell your tomatoes. You are so good - "wuzzing the weed unwrangled morning air..."

I guess we'll just jam into the tipi,MF. :)

Anonymous said...

What a loveLy retreat from the "war on world" :)

I had an thought about energy policy about 5 yrs back, it seemed to me the rush to wind (and other useless "renewables"), coupled with the rush to close down coal in favour of Gas for power generation (in the name of climate change), was going to leave the UK up shit creak if the Russians decided to turn off the gas.

Now we've had a situation where they're shutting down a lot of Nuclear capacity because of a "design flaw" work is forcast to keep this capacity offline well into next year.

Coupled with high potential for a hard winter now we're in "little ice age" conditions with the Sun in a similar funk to that time.

I get this news today regarding Belgium, seems their nuclear capacity is being shut down too, not because of some design flaw, but because of "Sabotage"!

http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2014/8/17/belgium-shows-us-the-way.html

Germmany is in a similar predicament having switched a large portion of it's generating capacity to wind, they're building many new coal & Nuclear plants in an attempt to paddle out of shit creek, they will not be online this winter.

I do believe this situation could easily have been engineered to provide a catalyst for WW3. Gd.





rockpicker said...

Here's a video by Dr. Rima Laibow on nano silver.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCgDel-Ji6U

murph said...

RP

Since I am an advocate of colloidal silver, I have been rather constantly researching who has to say what about it. This blurb in film impresses me as being just another marketing job. There must be around 100+ sites on the net that make similar claims to get you to buy their touted product. There are another 100+ sites that claim to debunk the use of colloidal silver and another bunch of sites that claim that you cannot make it at home and you have to pay a huge sum of money to get the right stuff.

Since I do not have a research lab to scientifically prove or disprove any of the claims, I have to depend on what seems to me to be logical information from other folks that claim independent research information.

My own use of colloidal silver that I make has shown to be anecdotally very effective treatment for several applications, direct confirmed results that can be repeated. So I become a tad cynical when I see something that says that home made colloidal silver is ineffective and I have to buy their stuff to get results.

Whether it is a panacea for all it's claimed to do, I just don't know. But, I do know it does work under some conditions for some problems. And, I don't trust what the medical profession has to say about it at all.

Anonymous said...

SATS 1

What a retreat this place is. It is the nearest thing to a cloister for those of small faith and long may it continue.

Gd has brought us back into the real world though, so as I am sitting here in little Belgium I had better address his comment, even though it wasn't dirrected at me :)

I havn't read the link yet but I will tell you what I know. Belgium has eight nuclear reactors based on two sites. One site is in Doel which is slightly north of Antwerp on the opposite bank of the River Schelde very close to the border with Netherlands (Holland). The other site is in Thiange which is on the River Mass, one of Europes lesser major rivers. It is just north of the Ardenes as the river flows out of France and before it forms the border between Belgium and the eastern part of Netherlands. Both sites have four reactors each.

Everything in the world has a lifetime and nuclear reactors are no different. I don't know how this lifetime is calculated but the ones in Belgium are coming quite close to their limit. Nuclear reactors, being what they are, are grossley over designed. There is an engineering equivalent of the precautionary principle. If you tell an engineer to design you a hoist to lift five tons, he will design one to take twenty tons and and paint on a sign that says “Safe Working Load 10 Tons”. Two of the Doel reactors and I think one or two of the Thiange reactors have reached or are coming close to their lifetime limit but the government has allowed Electrabel, the plant owners, to conduct what they call stress tests. This is the equivalent of putting 10 tons on the hoist and seeing what happens. As a result of this, Elecrrabel has been allowed to run some of the said reactors for an extended period which is about a couple of years. However, all is not good news. This from Flanders News in English today:

“Will nuclear reactors Doel 3 and Tihange 2 ever get restarted?
20/08/2014 • 11:55
It may well be possible that two of Belgium's nuclear reactors, Doel 3 and Tihange 2, will never be put online again. Small cracks in the nuclear vessels are turning out to be a bigger problem than initially thought. The two nuclear reactors have been offline for some time now, and this will remain the case at least until next spring. New tests dashed hopes of getting them started again during winter. And there is more. They may even never get started again, the VRT learned from several reliable sources.”
VRT = Vlaams Radio & Television

Over here the office of Lord Mayor is not a cerimonial title, they have real power within their domain. Today all the Burgermeisters (Mayors) from the eastern provence of Limburg were assembled and told of possible local power shortages this winter.

Anonymous said...

SATS 2

My son in law worked in the safety in Doel before he sold his appartment in Antwerp and bought the big old house in countrified Limburg. Two things re this. Some time ago I asked him if the nuclear plants in Belgium had the same sort of Siemens controllers which were subject to the Stuxnet attack in Iran. He said “No, they were an entierly different type”. Secondly, I asked him about the so called sabotage at Doel 4. He said he could not see any other explination and that it was most likely true. I asked if the sabotaged tank supplied lube oil to turbine. He said it supplied oil specifically to the dynamo at the other end of the shaft to the turbine. Also, the location of the tank was in such an obscure place it would have to have been done by someone with intimate knowledge of the plant. I didn't go so far as to ask an opinion if it was likely to be Mossad or a disgruntled employee, he would not have known.
On the bigger picture, politicians have been giving people candy instead of meat and two veg and are now paying the price. I doesn't seem like an appropriate time to go poking sticks at that nice Mr Putin. How badly Russia needs the money and how much beligerance they are prepared to absorb is another thing. As Gd has pointed out the rush to alternative energy sources, although well intentioned was ill thought out. For instance Denmark which is one great peninsular and a number of islands with on shore and off shore breezes appeared an ideal candidate for wind power but they have had so many problems with these generators they are now trying to offload them to anyone who will buy them.

Finally, I have read, although admittedly only from one source, that if and when the US Dollar crashes, Germany, now fed up with keeping southern Europe afloat, may “step out” of the EU and join forces with Russia and the rest of the BRICKS countries. In that eventuality not only the European dream but de facto Europe will be well and truly Fucked.


Anonymous said...

@SATS
From http://www.afcn.fgov.be/GED/00000000/3400/3433.pdf:

(Executive Summary)
In 2012, indications were found inside the shells of the Doel 3 and Tihange 2 reactor pressure vessels (RPVs). A series of analyses, tests, and inspections have shown that these indications are hydrogen flakes that do not affect the structural integrity of either RPV, regardless of the operating mode, transient, or accident condition. An independent review team consisting of national and international experts and academics confirmed this outcome. The results of the investigations were synthesized in comprehensive Safety Case Reports, and submitted to the Federal Agency for Nuclear Control (FANC) in December 2012. On 30 January 2013, the FANC provided Electrabel with a Provisional Evaluation Report emphasizing that the licensee has performed a profound piece of work, that the information was given in all transparency, and that the reports are of excellent quality. The FANC stated that it saw no elements that would have led to a permanent shutdown of the nuclear power plants. Nevertheless, the FANC asked for additional information before making a recommendation on a potential restart. This was summarized as a set of requirements in the Provisional Evaluation Report. In response, Electrabel submitted an Action Plan on 4 February 2013, which was discussed with the authorities. It was approved by the FANC on 7 February 2013 and started immediately. The present document gives a structured and complete answer to each of the FANC’s requirements for the Tihange 2 RPV. It also provides the results and conclusions of additional analyses, tests, and inspections that were performed to complement the Safety Case. The results of these complementary tests and analyses lead to the following conclusions:

UT inspection technique is valid
Hydrogen flaking is confirmed, understood, and stable
Affected material is sound and with good properties
Structural integrity is demonstrated with significant safety margins
Load test did not reveal any unexpected condition nor induced any flaw evolution

Based on all of these additional tests, analyses, and inspections, Electrabel is convinced that the structural integrity of the Tihange 2 RPV has been demonstrated and that all safety requirements are met. Therefore, Electrabel asks for the immediate restart of the Tihange 2 nuclear power plant.

(pg17)Moreover, the flaws are situated in very specific locations: the so-called ‘ghost lines’, which correspond to the residual features of the ingot after forging. ... Bridging was found to occur only between flakes that are very close to each other, under circumstances that exclusively exist during manufacturing.

(pg18)Ghost lines (veines sombres in French) are quasi-axial alignments of localized macro-segregated areas enriched in alloying elements and impurities. They correspond to the residual features after forging of segregates formed during the ingot solidification. These areas are flattened and fragmented during forging. Typical dimensions are 30 mm x 16 mm with a thickness of 0.5 to 1.5 mm. They are easily recognizable since they appear as dark zones after etching. Ghost lines are commonly found in all types of forgings.

Anonymous said...

@SATS
Yesterday there was more bad news regarding the two 1GW power stations already shut down in Belgium. They are probably shut down for good. See:
http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws.english/News/140820_nuclear_reactors_out%253F

Predictably, the Energy Minister has come on air to try to allay the public’s fears. He appears to have a “cunning plan” as Baldrick would say. Here is a quick translation I made from today’s De Standaard newspaper:

“There is an extra power station, but the cable is missing”

The walls of the nuclear reactors at Doel 3 and Tihange 2 are much weakened as a result of thousands of cracks. That would appear from the interim test results. There is a significant chance that the reactors will remain shut down all winter, and perhaps will never operate again. According to Energy Minister Johan Vande Lanotte, speaking on ‘The Morning’ show on Radio 1, there are solutions to prevent a black out.

According to Johan Vande Lanotte it is now necessary to "prevent panic". According to Vande Lanotte the last time was that we had a very high energy demand was on 17 January 2013. "On such a cold winter day we consume about 14,000MW. From this we get the idea that current production is 1000MW too short" said the minister.

Emergency
The Minister proposes a number of the emergency measures: import more electricity from abroad, restart Doel 4, adjust supply-side demand from companies, and use the capacity of emergency generators in our country. According to Vande Lanotte this emergency generation capacity in our country is rarely utilised.
Also, it is little known by the public that there is overcapacity in generating networks in the Netherlands, Belgium and Germany. "For example in Maasbracht, 3 kilometers from the Netherlands-Belgian border, there is a new 1,300 MW power station completely idle." The gas fired plant in Maasbracht was indeed shut down on July 1 because it could not be run profitably due to low electricity prices. Much to the frustration of the minister this power station cannot yet be connected to the Belgian grid. The only thing missing is a cable of 15 km, it seems.

Nuclear Exit
The Minister does not believe that the government’s [nuclear phase-out] policy is guilty of causing the current problem. "It's the nuclear power plants that fail. If there is now a problem, due to the cracks in the reactor vessels and sabotage in Doel 4, you have to solve that. But government policy will never be able to prevent something being sabotaged or what appears to be a mistake.
************************************

Anyone with 15 km of copper cable and 50 pylons should contact the Belgian Embassy.

Note that the comment about Maasbracht being uneconomic to run relates to it being uncompetitive vs. coal and subsidised wind, biomass, etc. The plant started up in 2012 and was hailed as the largest and most efficient gas-fired power plant of the Netherlands. See:
https://www.rwe.com/web/cms/en/354304/rwe-technology-the-power-plant-specialist-in-the-rwe-group/company/news-press/press-release/?pmid=4008065

Seems to be a disconnect between the test results and the news eh? GD.

Anonymous said...

SATS@Gd

It sure would appear so. I think the real nature of Japan has scared the shits out of those who know what happened re the vulnerability of the nuclear industry and they are out of aces up their sleeves.
Massbracht was new info to me. I don't know what hydrogen flakes are, the words don't make any sense to me but I will ask my son in law what he knows and get back to you. I still don't think raising the finger to Mr Putin from a position of weakness is a very PC thing to do.

rockpicker said...

As long as we're talking things nuclear, check out Dana Durnford's website at nuclear proctologist.org and this video, in which he exposes what Fukushima unit #4 actually looks like, and what U.S. media outlets want us to believe it looks like.

This is the guy who made the 200 km voyage up the Georgia Strait, east side of Vancouver Island, recently. He was on Rense last night for two hours.

SATS, what happens to spent fuel rods in Belgium?

Murph, the same thought occured to me. But, her distinction between how colloidal silver is produced and how metallic silver is produced, and the difference in end results, ie. effectiveness, made me think this debate should be aired. Anybody else know about taking silver medicinally?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W5wOXazDes&list=UUE2rZOVPBHBY3mS0mBwwqZw&index=28

freeacre said...

Wow, GD and SATS, your information on Europe is fascinating to me. Germany aligning with the BRICS?? Who could blame them, but still.. yikes! What is NATO thinking by provoking Russia so? And, the nuclear plants failing and the wind generators FUBAR'ed. Good grief!
Have you seen the pictures of the birds getting fried in the air over our solar power fields in our Southwest? And the fraking contaminating the ground water and early depletion of the natural gas wells? I doubt that we will be able to supply very much to you guys.
The drought is making many us in the West fear for food production. We've got one more year of reserve water and then we are fucked. As it is, many of the food productive places in the world are in some sort of crisis (coffee, pork, fruit) and prices are bound to sky-rocket.
Meanwhile, we've got an open border in the South. You just watch what happens if ebola comes through in a big way and spreads through Texas. I gotta a feeling that there would be some seriously pissed off Texans. Of course, the same goes for Europe.
Is it true that the most popular name for newborns in England is "Mohammed"? How about the EU countries? Europe doesn't seem to be like it was. Seems like the only ones it has been good for is the banks. I, of course, have no idea. It's just me looking in from way outside. This is sort of shaping up like Clif High's predictions from years past.
Oh, and I think that the Earth might be expanding, too. Earthquakes could be next.
Back to the garden, I guess.
Keep us apprised.

freeacre said...

One more thing... a good friend neighbor of ours has just been diagnosed with lung cancer. She credits it to having smoked for years, although she quit over ten years ago. And, there is a measure on the ballot in Oregon to outlaw smoking cigarettes outside on the coastal beaches of Oregon to "protect" against second-hand smoke. Second hand smoke!!! Nothing about RADIATION for Christ's sake! How about that she breathed in a hot particle from Fukushima when it blew three years ago and it's been sitting there giving off radiation until it finally got a tumor to begin to grow? Never a word about THAT. Now it's all about chemotherapy ad radiation. I could just puke. I make her vegetable soup.

freeacre said...

Take a look at this video:

http://youtu.be/6-MAPOFshM0

I wish I knew how to imbed it.
Then there is Iceland... man, if that goes, you guys are really going to have a cold winter. For years.

Anonymous said...

SATS

Rp, What happens to spent fuel rods in Belgium is similar to what happens to them in other parts of the world, they are sent for reprocessing. This doesn't mean that they are somehow made good again. Remember that energy only flows down hill. Think of it like a battery in a flashlight. After a certain usage the bulb will still be lit but because the battery is failing it will not be bright enough to see very much. In a fuel rod it is cheaper to get the good stuff out and make a new fuel rod from that rather than processing ore from scratch. The most effective way of doing this is by gaseous diffusion. The usual way is to dissolve the fuel rod in hydrofluoric acid and make, usually uranium fluoride which is gaseous. The different isotopes will diffuse at different rates so they collect the gas and send it down a porous tube and take out the cut they are interested in, a bit like fractionation of oil. The fluorides are then chemically broken down back to solids and collected. New fuel rods are made from the good stuff. The rest is stored under ground. In Belgium's case this is in the north of the provence of Limburg. Most of the rest of the world sends their shit to England, unbeknown to most of the English.

Anonymous said...

GD@FA: re Birds & solar feilds, the workers call them "streamers" when they catch light as they fly through, an average of one “streamer” every two minutes. Estimates per year now range from a low of about a thousand by BrightSource (well it would be wouldn't it) to 28,000 by an expert for the Center for Biological Diversity environmental group!

The plant cost $2.2 Billion, produces 390 MW (presumeably only during the day, so no baseload) sounds like an expensive way to boil a kettle to me. Glad I'm not a window cleaner there!

I don't remember seeing Russian dolls in the Punch & Judy show I saw as a kid, they must have altered the script ;)

Just struck me there may be a cultural deficiency on that remark (lol) Do you get Punch & Judy shows on the other side of the pond? I remember as a kid in the 70's there was a big debate because P&J were said to be too violent for kids, because it showed domestic violence (rotfl)

Here's a good one on Youtube, don't let the violence effect you though, you might need to stop and return to a nice passive roll playing game like call of duty on the computer :p
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4iWoCJ_t24

Anonymous said...

SATS

Best stay in the garden fa, ignorance is bliss. At least I think so. Unfortunately, bliss like nostalgia, isn't what it used to be :)

It is usual but not obligatory for the first born Moslem son to be called Osman. Whilst every family will usually have a Mohamed there will be quite a few Osman's thrown into the mix as well. Where do I get this shit from, I wish somebody would take it away.

Apparently some wind generators do go on fire although I have seen thousands of the things and never seen one in flames yet. The main problem seems to be that the weight of the impeller bows the turbine shaft when the things are parked. This will put strain on the bearings and could in extreme cases, gouge the shaft. This may be the cause of some fires. I thought it would be fairly easy to let them free wheel when not in use with some sort of slipping clutch arrangement to stop the tips of the blades going through the sound barrier. But no, the preferred option is to put electricity back into them to keep them turning slowly. Can you see the sense in that? From a laymen's point of view I would have thought the answer would be to mount the blades horizontally like a helicopter but who am I to say?

The nuclear industry in Belgium. Those whose job it is to be informed, know or should know what happened in Japan. Even if they don't but just look at the damage, they may consider that the potential risks outweigh the benefits, even if we are in a land which is not normally subject to earthquakes and we haven't promised to do Iran any favours. From the way they are playing the situation, it would seem they are taking the view that the sabotage was not the result of someone having a bad day. If they are taking it as a warning and allowing for the outrageous possibility that already placed tsunami bombs could devastate a low lying land, it is easy to see why they would retreat from such a potentially vulnerable industry. Elecrabel has done a sterling body of work to keep their plants in operation but my view is that the administration are magnifying insignificant things just in order to close the things down as quickly as possible even without a well thought out plan B.

Here is a doomosphere vid, an emotional presentation of fact and speculation. Normally, I would not post such a thing but at around the 15 -17 min mark he mentions the possibility of Germany joining with Russia and for about 2 seconds he shows a map of the BRICS countries. I run this sequence a few times and he appears to actually say the opposite of what he means. All in all, the possibility of Germany wanting out of Europe is being talked about. Whether this is for real or to frighten the rest of Europe out of its excesses is anybody's guess.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtsmbGxFUug

Finally, re your friend you mentioned:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn10971-cheap-safe-drug-kills-most-cancers.html#.U_d-2WNqMg-

I couldn't find the original NS article but this is a précis revamp of it.

Anonymous said...

issy - Aliens? If real, PLEASE INVADE ASAP! And wipe out the fucking humans while you're at it!

There is simply no point in trying to participate at any level in society or civilization where this requires one to support war. Or injustice. Or the culture of death.

Since so much of our civilization is based around these very themes, monetizing these and glorifying them to the nth degree - then non-participation in nearly all things is required.

Your mileage may vary, but I have little interest in anything that our society "supports". I find it loathsome, disgusting, violent, evil and immoral.

I'm all for the aliens invading. But I don't believe they exist.

None of my brocolli flowered correctly. August is very cold and rainy this year. Tomatoes did quite well (greenhouse), onions, squash, plums, cherries, apples and cabbage.

Screw 'civilization'. There is nothing civilized about it.

Anonymous said...

GD@SATS

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/08/26/bearings-the-achilles-heel-of-wind-turbines/

murph said...

I noticed at the site on wind turbine failure, there is another link film titled wind turbines can defeat a hurricane. Now I've been suggesting along with a couple of papers on the subject that a large enough turbine farm can disrupt weather patterns which was ignored and discounted. So far, we have not been able to contradict the conservation of energy laws. I swear, humanity and especially the financial elites get stupider every day.

Anonymous said...

SATS

Wind turbine bearings, central bankers, everything comes out eventually and there is nothing the internet is not good for. No wonder those standing behind the curtain of world events want to close it down but I think they will find it a harder job than disappearing technical books from libraries.

Murph, I don't doubt the logic of your point of view but it is an unfortunate fact of life that nearly everything in the world comes with a price tag attached. It then becomes a matter of whether the perceived benefits justify that particular cost. There is a large anti fracking movement at the moment saying that specific price tag is too high but that is from the position of still having an oil supply available. Will the descent be so vocal when the days of oil are only something we remember?

moons and feathers said...


This Pure Flame of Passion
Posted:
In most of us there is very little passion. We may be lustful, we may be longing for something, we may be wanting to escape from something, and all this does give one a certain intensity. But unless we awaken and feel our way into this flame of passion without a cause, we shall not be able to understand that which we call sorrow. To understand something you must have passion, the intensity of complete attention. Where there is the passion for something, which produces contradiction, conflict, this pure flame of passion cannot be; and this pure flame of passion must exist in order to end sorrow, dissipate it completely.

k

Anonymous said...

Murph said " So far, we have not been able to contradict the conservation of energy laws."

SATS said "Will the [fracking] descent be so vocal when the days of oil are only something we remember?"

I did a lot of research on the early fracking frenzy from an investment POV, IMO it's a scam. Murph is correct, what they get out in energy terms, is lower than the energy cost of doing it, and that's purely from a financial POV, not even considering the huge environmental costs.

I can't remember who made this point (mite have been george Ure) but it was poinient... compare the turnover of many listed companies, profit/loss/TO pales in comparrison to the turnover of their shares, which is more important to the financial PTB? The turnover of shares is counted in the GDP figures too, go figure! GD

Anonymous said...

GD: WWIII as it happens...

http://the-tap.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/watershed-press-conference-by-top.html

Anonymous said...

SATS

I agree Gd, bad example I picked. There is not enough energy in the shale sands to justify the cost of getting the oil out. The only thing it is good for is making a total mess of the landscape and the surrounding environment. But the cosmetic gloss of appearing to do something helpful will provide a temporary kudos. Same thing with wind energy. When considering the sustainability costs, the first thing to think about is how long the generator will have to run in order to produce enough energy to make a replica of itself including erection costs. Then you have to build in the maintenance costs over its expected lifetime plus any energy input costs in order to reduce these maintenance costs over its lifetime. Whatever energy can then be produced over its predicted lifetime becomes the cost base for the price of the product. I don't know how you would calculate environmental costs but these also have to be built into the equation before we get to the 'free' benefits part. And this is only on a straight replacement basis. Ideally each wind generator, or other renewable source, should produce enough energy to make two of itself before the free milk part is reached.

"Will the [fracking] descent be so vocal when the days of oil are only something we remember?"
I guess what I was really saying there was that when people have grown up with something they always expect to be there and then they suddenly have it taken from them, they will pay almost any price to get it back. This is what I meant to say but it is a different point than actually came across.

Our leaders will not want to tell everyone they represent that they have been sold a bill of goods. Instead they will talk, if they talk at all, of wanting to invest in a bright renewable future however there were hidden on costs which were not apparent at the beginning but they acted in good faith on the available information at the time.

The wind energy industry has now been going for enough time to recognise its limitations and put research into overcoming these difficulties. If these cannot be overcome it is time for our leaders to man up and tell how it actually is. Unless, of course, it is too big to fail.

On a personal level I believe not enough research was put into heat pumps and these should have been given an equal footing to wind and solar.

Harking back to Murphs point about wind farms causing climate change, this is a prime example of Eric Sevareid's Law which simply states 'The chief source of problems is solutions'.

I was reminded of the above quote when I was re-watching the talk by the recently deceased Prof. Albert Bartlett entitled 'Arithmatic, Population and Energy'. I saw this some years ago and was looking for the part where he said that if all the known tar sands in the world was converted to oil it would only last the world for two years at present rates of usage. There are several versions of the same talk and the above quote was not in the one I have just watched. It does however contain many very important points about energy consumption and is well worth investing the hour and a quarter to watch the full version.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O133ppiVnWY


Anonymous said...

SATS

I agree Gd, bad example I picked. There is not enough energy in the shale sands to justify the cost of getting the oil out. The only thing it is good for is making a total mess of the landscape and the surrounding environment. But the cosmetic gloss of appearing to do something helpful will provide a temporary kudos. Same thing with wind energy. When considering the sustainability costs, the first thing to think about is how long the generator will have to run in order to produce enough energy to make a replica of itself including erection costs. Then you have to build in the maintenance costs over its expected lifetime plus any energy input costs in order to reduce these maintenance costs over its lifetime. Whatever energy can then be produced over its predicted lifetime becomes the cost base for the price of the product. I don't know how you would calculate environmental costs but these also have to be built into the equation before we get to the 'free' benefits part. And this is only on a straight replacement basis. Ideally each wind generator, or other renewable source, should produce enough energy to make two of itself before the free milk part is reached.

"Will the [fracking] descent be so vocal when the days of oil are only something we remember?"
I guess what I was really saying there was that when people have grown up with something they always expect to be there and then they suddenly have it taken from them, they will pay almost any price to get it back. This is what I meant to say but it is a different point than actually came across.

Our leaders will not want to tell everyone they represent that they have been sold a bill of goods. Instead they will talk, if they talk at all, of wanting to invest in a bright renewable future however there were hidden on costs which were not apparent at the beginning but they acted in good faith on the available information at the time.

The wind energy industry has now been going for enough time to recognise its limitations and put research into overcoming these difficulties. If these cannot be overcome it is time for our leaders to man up and tell how it actually is. Unless, of course, it is too big to fail.

On a personal level I believe not enough research was put into heat pumps and these should have been given an equal footing to wind and solar.

Harking back to Murphs point about wind farms causing climate change, this is a prime example of Eric Sevareid's Law which simply states 'The chief source of problems is solutions'.

I was reminded of the above quote when I was re-watching the talk by the recently deceased Prof. Albert Bartlett entitled 'Arithmetic, Population and Energy'. I saw this some years ago and was looking for the part where he said that if all the known tar sands in the world was converted to oil it would only last the world for two years at present rates of usage. There are several versions of the same talk and the above quote was not in the one I have just watched. It does however contain many very important points about energy consumption and is well worth investing the hour and a quarter to watch the full version.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O133ppiVnWY



freeacre said...

What in the world is going on with Russia?? Are we really trying to provoke war with Putin?

What would we do if the government in Mexico was overthrown by the State Dept. of Russia? And, they installed a bunch of racist Nazi's who began to attack the Americans who live on the Baja Peninsula, just south of San Diego... And, then they started fighting, and the Nazi's were killing Americans right and left. Would we be wrong to go in and help them?
What is NATO thinking? They want to encircle Russia with missiles and take away their link to the sea? Do they really want a war?
Why? When we have all sorts of other crisis (including a possible pandemic of ebola) and needs for spending on infra-structure, we are already deeply in debt, and risks of natural disasters including severe drought threatens our food supply. Is this so that when disaster hits, we can blame it on Russia, or what?
Or, is it so that they can take away anything that is left of our shredded constitutional rights, and anybody who opposed them would be labeled a terrorist or a traitor? I am mystified.

freeacre said...

Issy, I'm with you. I yearn for the aliens. Space aliens.

murph said...

Everyone,

SATS couldn't publish a comment. I just checked the spam folder for the site and had nearly 50. All but SATS was truly spam I think. Anyway, I deleted them all except for SATS comment

Alert me if you are having problems publishing a comment. I will check it out as soon as I read it.

Anonymous said...

GD@FA Why? Simply, it's s means to an end.

Global Hedgemony for the elite families. Population desimation to less than 500 million etc.

It is a mistake to use your own humanity as a context, it will just confuse anyone who has empathy. They have no empathy, they are phycopaths.

Anonymous said...

SATS

In response to Anon 2.23, I am re-posting this earlier link of Gd.

http://the-tap.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/watershed-press-conference-by-top.html

Scroll down to the second video, the one with the still shot of the bloody hand and leg (I think).
You don't have to see the gruesome whole 100 or so minutes out, just skip directly to 1hour 29 minutes and watch it out from there. It is all you need to know, this from the same people that brought you the seven million holocaust epic.

This is what war is. It's not something you can watch with your TV dinner on your knee and congratulate yourself on how well our boys are doing. Or maybe it is depending on your POV.

Anonymous said...

SATS

Be careful of what you wish for Fa, there is one point of view out there that says that the central bankers are just puppets of the space aliens :)

Anonymous said...

Somtimes it's wierd how syncronicity works around here. I was watching a lecture by Stanley Coren, one of the best guys on Dog body language as he's an academic phsycologist who's done a lot of work with dogs. I clicked on another interview he's done with Edwin Rutsch, from The Center for Building a Culture of Empathy, it turned into a very interesting discussion of empathy in general, well worth viewing if you've got a spare hour. GD.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcbHRhgO8yg

rockpicker said...

Proof the lamestream and much of the alternative media is not to be trusted.

http://hatrickpenry.wordpress.com/2014/02/10/hatrick-penry-exposes-the-fukushima-unit-4-spent-fuel-offload-hoax/

Pike's letter to Mazinni, The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, Report From Iron Mountain... Call them hoaxes and forgeries if you like, but what we're seeing play out is eerily similar to what these above-referenced works detail.

Order out of Chaos. First they create the chaos, then they offer a way to achieve order. And those left embrace any system proffered, as long as calm is established. Isn't that what happened in Germany with Hitler's rise to power?

Not so surprising that the US/NATO- backed regime in Kiev have put Nazis in charge of the Ukrainian defense forces. The West plans not only to frack the shit out of eastern Ukraine, but Monsanto is waiting in the wings to introduce gmo crops to the "breadbasket" of Europe.

rockpicker said...

Like my self-styled anti-doomer friend is fond of saying, "follow the money."

http://srsroccoreport.com/must-read-a-fraud-by-any-other-name-is-still-a-fraud/must-read-a-fraud-by-any-other-name-is-still-a-fraud/

moons and feathers said...

thank you sats..Posted:
You cannot be sensitive if you are not passionate. Do not be afraid of that word passion. Most religious books, most gurus, swamis, leaders, and all the rest of them, say, "Don't have passion." But if you have no passion, how can you be sensitive to the ugly, to the beautiful, to the whispering leaves, to the sunset, to a smile, to a cry? How can you be sensitive without a sense of passion in which there is abandonment? Sirs, please listen to me, and do not ask how to acquire passion. I know you are all passionate enough in getting a good job, or hating some poor chap, or being jealous of someone; but I am talking of something entirely different, a passion that loves. Love is a state in which there is no 'me'; love is a state in which there is no condemnation, no saying that sex is right or wrong, that this is good and something else is bad. Love is none of these contradictory things. Contradiction does not exist in love. And how can one love if one is not passionate? Without passion, how can one be sensitive? To be sensitive is to feel your neighbor sitting next to you; it is to see the ugliness of the town with its squalor, its filth, its poverty, and to see the beauty of the river, the sea, the sky. If you are not passionate, how can you be sensitive to all that? How can you feel a smile, a tear? Love, I assure you, is passion. - Krishnamurti, The Book of Life i love you

moons and feathers said...

Posted:
You cannot be sensitive if you are not passionate. Do not be afraid of that word passion. Most religious books, most gurus, swamis, leaders, and all the rest of them, say, "Don't have passion." But if you have no passion, how can you be sensitive to the ugly, to the beautiful, to the whispering leaves, to the sunset, to a smile, to a cry? How can you be sensitive without a sense of passion in which there is abandonment? Sirs, please listen to me, and do not ask how to acquire passion. I know you are all passionate enough in getting a good job, or hating some poor chap, or being jealous of someone; but I am talking of something entirely different, a passion that loves. Love is a state in which there is no 'me'; love is a state in which there is no condemnation, no saying that sex is right or wrong, that this is good and something else is bad. Love is none of these contradictory things. Contradiction does not exist in love. And how can one love if one is not passionate? Without passion, how can one be sensitive? To be sensitive is to feel your neighbor sitting next to you; it is to see the ugliness of the town with its squalor, its filth, its poverty, and to see the beauty of the river, the sea, the sky. If you are not passionate, how can you be sensitive to all that? How can you feel a smile, a tear? Love, I assure you, is passion. - Krishnamurti, The Book of Lifeilove yoy

Anonymous said...

SATS

The Ukrainians who had Western sunshine blown up their butts are not at all happy bunnies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VayoSyshgZ

6 Min

rockpicker said...

Freeacre;

Here's a piece by Dave Hodges that helps answer your question about what's going on. I don't buy his conclusion that ISIS' moving into Syria will precipitate US involvement, along with subsequent retaliation by Russia to start WWIII.

http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2014/08/30/why-we-will-fight-world-war-iii/

Rense points out consistently that Putin has made multiple pledges to protect the pro-Russian cities of eastern Ukraine from Kiev's aggression, but so far, these have been empty promises.

Global Research is arguing that the Kiev-touted "Russian invasion" probably has not happened, since no validations of the claim have been presented by the Ukrainian regime. Kiev's credibility is in the toilet.

Perhaps Obama and Cameron were hoping to bog Putin down in Ukraine before launching an attack on Syria and Iran. Looks like Putin is playing rope-a-dope with the West, cover-up, lean back and wait for an opportunity, like Mohammad Ali used to do.

Conscription is the ultimate form of taxation. Oh, that the world's impatient and impressionable youth would refuse such untimely remittance.

rockpicker said...

The Death of the Ball Turret Gunner
Randall Jarrell, 1914 - 1965

From my mother’s sleep I fell into the State,
And I hunched in its belly till my wet fur froze.
Six miles from earth, loosed from its dream of life,
I woke to black flak and the nightmare fighters.
When I died they washed me out of the turret with a hose.

Arguably THE best first line ever written in American poetry.

These asshole banksters are fixing to take us all to war again. They intend to do to Ukraine what they did to Iraq and Libya. Completely trash it, and damned who gets killed.

http://www.allnewspipeline.com/V_The_Guerrilla_Economist_It_Begins.php

Check out William Cooper and see how close he was to hitting the nail squarely on the head:

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/27122.html

rockpicker said...

Ha! "Nazis on the rocks."

http://www.allnewspipeline.com/Extreme_News_Dr_Jim_Willie.php

Anonymous said...

SATS

Thanks for the links rp, very informative.

The banksters must be tearing their hair out, Vlad has outsmarted them at every step of the way.
First Kiev were kicked off the field at Donetsk, then their pow's were fed, showered, reclothed allowed to sleep and then offered a safe corridor to wherever they wanted to go (anywhere but back!). Kiev kept on with their stick poking, trying to force a reaction by attacking Russia's relief convoys but when Vlad offered them a hand of friendship it was not the one they were expecting. The east has won the physical battle, the PR battle and the hearts and mind battle. Now it's over to you Barrington Dalby.

rockpicker said...

SATS, Try as I might, I cannot come up with any confirming information on what Jim Willie was saying about the "NATO" forces fighting on behalf of the pro-Russian rebels.

I did come across this interesting comment on a site that carried the interview with Willie.

"
Meat Eater
September 1, 2014 at 7:15 pm · Reply

Confirmation is beginning to come through that the Russian airforce have destroyed 2 Ukrainian Government coast guard vessels that were attempting to rescue suspected American personal pinned down near the coast in the Sea of Avoz close to the Russian border. (Earlier footage appears to show 2 jets firing upon the vessels).

Both Coast Guard vessels have been confirmed destroyed with the loss of all hands aboard. One ship sunk straight away, the hull section of another reamins afloat.

Ukrainian TV is broadcasting footage of the remains of one ship – nothing left but the main hull, all deck sections, con, comms, and gun dstroyed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfNj_fq2cig&list=UUdA9HC7pf3YS8qkDK4ar9FQ

Also, the official Itar-Tass news agency is reporting (with an unconfirmed disclaimer) that ‘NATO’ personal are pinned down and trapped in Mauriopol:

http://en.itar-tass.com/world/747548

Also, there is speculation on other sites that the ‘NATO’ officers/personnel are American nationals. If they are captured and confirmed as coming from NATO, they could be arrested and tried for facilitated War crimes (by taking the side of Kiev in a civil war).

Also, other Rebel sites are stating that anti-aircraft teams have shot down 2 helicopters carrying a special forces rescue team tasked with getting the Americans out. The missile crew are also claiming to have destroyed one of the 2 jet fighters providing support for the helicopters.

It will be a race to rescue or capture these Americans whether they be NATO or Mercinary. At least one special forces rescue attempt has failed, lets see how this one develops."

Can you imagine the changes that will be taking place if Germany abandons NATO to its own dysfunctional devices, in favor of cozying-up to Russia to ensure its winter energy supply remains dependable? Obummer's in over his head this time.

Anonymous said...

SATS

Rp, the only confirmation of NATO troops fighting on the side of eastern Ukraine I could find is this one, my this took some finding back:

http://the-tap.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/if-you-watch-nothing-else-this-year.html

Scrol to the 4th video down : Militia volunteers from France.

If the regime in Kiev is predicted to fall by the end of the year then why does Putin need to put himself in a bad light by doing anything at all? Just sit back and wait for it all to happen by itself. As was said, Obama is in over his head, the dollar is going and he has no one left to fight. Even his allies are running away. If Germany goes then France will not want to prop up broke Europe by itself so it might also cut its losses. Break out the popcorn.

As an asside, I have no idea why I mentioned Barrington Dalby. It is only English people over a certain age who will have ever heard of him. He was a boxing referee and a horse racing commentator for the BBC. The main commentators positioned themselves in the grandstand to watch the start and finish of the race. Barrington Dalby was 'out in the country' on the less interesting far side of the course. When those in the grandstand could no longer see what was going on they would hand over the stick with the words “And now its over to you, Barrington Dalby”. It became a buzz phrase for a while to get someone to admit they had lost an argument.

Anonymous said...

SATS said "The banksters must be tearing their hair out, Vlad has outsmarted them at every step of the way."

If that were really the case, it would be the first time in history the Bansters did not have control of both sides. Regardless of the impression given in MSM, and the alternative media, I firmly believe the current situation is all part of their agenda. Rather than tearing their hair out, I suspect they are patting each other on the back. GD.

rockpicker said...

GD, I thought the destruction of national sovereignty and the establishment of centralized regional governance was part of the central banksters' global agenda.
If this is the case, wouldn't those at the top of the pyramid be upset with pragmatic German self-preservation, especially if it reaches the point of Merkel making a clean break with the EU and NATO?

There's a headline on Steve Quayle's news saying insiders are beginning to question Obummer's
mental state. Not the first of such rumblings, to be sure, but of note, nonetheless.

SATS, Thanks for the clarification on Barrington Dalby. The name has a good ring to it and put me in mind of someone with an intriguing background. A British triple agent, perhaps? But your explanation reminded me of having met Tommy Smith and learned of his exploits at Aintree in the mid -sixties, when I was a kid.

http://www.nationalsteeplechase.com/news/tommy-smith-rider-jay-trump-dies/

The Maryland Hunt Cup, btw, is a rigorous affair: four miles over timber fences, (four ft. log jumps you can't just dive through,). Pretty heavy-duty race, for under nine minutes.

rockpicker said...

Holy schamoly! No wonder Obummer's babbling and giggling...

http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=4958

Anonymous said...

SATS

Gd, that's an interesting point of view. I can see both sides of this one. FDR spilt the beans when he said, paraphrased, that nothing ever happens that isn't thoroughly planned, apparently spontaneous events are meticulously planned. Even if the plan becomes unravelled the ways the protagonists will behave is also well known and can be planned for. For instance when Johnson (I think) realised he was the patsy and it was Israel that perped the USS Liberty attack instead of Egypt he turned his planes away from Cairo but he didn't flatten Tel Aviv instead.

Things under Putin seem to be different. All the same planning is there but Putin responds in more considered rather than reactive ways. The USA for example goes in for shock and awe but their planning is sloppy. I am thinking of false flags from 9/11 to Sandy Hook etc. Now when an event happens, instead of being shocked and awed we immediately start looking for the holes in the planning. America is now regarded like the boy that cried wolf. With Ukraine, all the planning is there all the moves are in place but the response is not as predicted. What Putin seems to be saying is, I am not going to get drawn into a conflict and weaken my own position with an opponent that is going down anyway no matter how much you prod me with a stick. No doubt the bankers have a plan B, plan C and plan D but Putin is not giving them any easy options.

Consider the time Putin broke out of the mould and threw Yeltsin's hangers on out of the country. The so called oiligarchs who were running Russia's energy companies for their own benefit rather than that of the Russian people. Now Putin appears to play it straight. He says he has a high regard for the law. If his police or an other agency wants to tap someone's phone they apply to a judge who will decide if their request falls within the context of the law or not and that is the way it should be. The deposed oiligarchs have recently won a case for compensation at the International Court of Justice at the Hague and the awarded compensation is punitive to the Russian economy. I am interested to see how Putin will play it. Will he settle or will he stick a finger up to the court. My feeling is that he will drag the procedure out with appeals until such time as the dollar collapses and then settle in deflated currency. I am not sure of the exact timing but it was about a year to eighteen months ago that Putin politely asked the Rothschild dynasty to vacate his country. Later, there were co-operation initiatives led by the Rockefeller family, as a different face of the same animal. They were graciously received but I don't think the initiatives went very far. Russia has stated outright its beliefs in a multi polar world where each state pursues its own objectives in co-operation with other nations. This has led to the instigation of various clubs such as the SCO, the BRICS and customs unions with other states which are opposed to a world led by family dynasties with a different agenda.

National leaders have always known how the world works but now increasing numbers of ordinary people are becoming aware of it too and the leaders are also aware that the people are aware and must react accordingly. This is a trend that is still on the flat part of the curve but leaders have to take into account that more people know how to interpret the news.

Now you either believe that these newly formed country groupings are gaining strength at the small but steady expense of the banking families or you believe that Russia and China are all part of the bankers dog and pony show.

I prefer to live in hope but am acutely aware that the hope might be a false one.

Sorry fa, we have come a long way from kale and cabbage but it seems the good stuff is on the other side of the swamp.





rockpicker said...

Could be skunk cabbage.

Anonymous said...

SATS

Not the nice gentle freeacre we know. She certainly wouldn't have anything to do with skunk cabbage. That must be wafting over from our side of the swamp :)

rockpicker said...

Well, certainly. Certainly.

And from across the border?

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2014/09/04/texas-border-ranchers-fear-for-their-lives-and-families-appeal-for-help/

Anonymous said...

rp&SATS: It'd be difficult to start another world war if everyone was on the same page re NWO. Their motto ain't "Order from agreement". Sure they could do it peacefully, but to them, they'd still have too many people, and there would be a lack of blood sacrifice to their diety. GD.

Anonymous said...

...If Putin, Merkel, or whoever, was not following orders, they'd take em out. Gd.

Anonymous said...

If anyone was in any doubt about all that "beheading" old fanny in the news, read and digest this...

http://chrisspivey.org/heads-tales/#more-22306

The Brazen use of the same crisis actors in all these false flags must surely be a wake up call to those who still take anything on face value from the MSM. Gd

Anonymous said...

SATS

Well Ukraine is finally over. The president of NATO sounded really pissed about it. Well that one didn't go according to plan A. The US is left with a dollar on CPR and no one to have a war with. What a bummer. Talking about CPR I heard that the beheaded Mr Foley was really a CPR doll. I thought that one was too silly for words but stranger things have happened in world events.

So Obama is under pressure and feeling a bit of strain. Well all I can say is that nobody made him take the job. As Harry S once said “ If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen” or maybe he will struggle further, on the West's behalf , of course, until his boiler bursts. What a hero. So is that how they are going to play the dollar demise? “We all saw that he was under strain from time to time, that goes with the job, but no one realised that he was really ill and we didn't fully realise that some of his odd decisions and executive orders would have such a disasterous knock on effect. Still, now is the time for all true Americans to pull together to het the ship off the rocks, with a new captain, of course. It will mean sacrifices from all of us but we can pull through if we all pull together. Mr Obama can have his own island in the Chagos islands, guarded by US troops until he gets better. Now it is time for someone else to take the helm.”
“Whoops, I know we all made a suberhuman effort and America is proud of you but we didn't realise the rot was so bad and unfortunately it was too little too late – sorry. For all of you that are still left, from the beginning of next semester, all adult learning centres will be holding courses in Chinese”.

Anonymous said...

SATS

You have all heard the reports re Ukraine, does it sound to you that Obama and NATO are already talking up the next false flag event? Their language is not conciliatory.

rockpicker said...

SATS and GD; You may find this short lecture by Webster Tarpley interesting, and pertinent. I heard him live on Rense the other night and was blown away by the list of notaries assassinated in the ten years leading up to the beginning of WWI. Had no idea all that turmoil had taken place.

http://tarpley.net/

Makes me think Angela Merkel might have an accident if she persists on cozying up to Vlad.

rockpicker said...

Here's one for all the banksters out there...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae3GMfAIW20

Anonymous said...

SATS

Joanie Mitchel, there is a blast from the past. :)

The Secretary General of NATO has failed in his mission and is awaiting the call into the headmasters office.
Black mark for Obama but he can't be so quickly dismissed. So he appears like a boxer who picks himself up, wobbly kneed, from the canvas, goes over to the opponents corner, pokes a finger in his opponents face and says “Don't you ever try anything like that again or you will be for it”. Rhetoric for the folks back home who actually think we won.
Vlad agrees in Wales, to anything on the table and sits back to let the peace achieve what the limited war didn't.
I think that sums it up.

From what I have heard of Angela Merkel, she is economically and politically sharp but socially dull. Two out of three is not bad. Three months, not even 100 days after being reinstated as Chancellor she announced her intention not to complete her term of office. She will hand over the reins of power when the dollar is a bit nearer to the edge of the cliff than it is now and let someone else transport Germany to the next step forward.

murph said...

For those of you into hang-drums, dig this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=747hJQNJpeg

Anonymous said...

rp: loved that picture of McCain on Tarpleys site, wonder why he's not be indicted eh!

Interesting review of history too.

Murph, that hang needs to be retuned IMO, just seems so 2 dimentional, maybe it's just a cheap hang. Check out the depth of sound on the hangs these guys are playing, turn the vloume way up, magical, haunting, lovely :)Gd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk3BvNLeNgw

murph said...

Gd,

Not being an an owner and player of drums, I have no background to comment on tone or resonance of one of these instruments. I was commenting on her playing and choice of composition.

Your comment on the sound of her instrument reminds me of when I had my guitar shop. Nearly every player that come through had a different idea of what the ideal guitar sound was for them. I had players that insisted their guitar had the perfect sound and I personally couldn't stand it. I wouldn't have voluntarily played the instrument if it was given to me.

I've been out of the business now for 30 years and I still compare the sounds of instruments to my own ideal sound. I've met players that really like the sound of $50 guitars made of plywood. I even made an acoustic guitar out of Masonite just to prove it could be done and it would have some sound. A very few players thought it was neat as hell.

I came to the conclusion that in the same class of instruments,(guitars, violins, etc) that often the way it sounded was dependent on the type of music that was being played and the musical taste of the player. So, we made guitars that would sound like just about anything that they have ever heard. Plus, I found that a lot of players that performed on stage had distorted and very inaccurate ideas of what the audience heard and what the player heard on stage.

A lot of individual preferences are in the mix.

Anonymous said...

SATS

That's the first time I have ever heard that instrument. Before last night I never knew it existed. I have absolutely no idea if it is in tune or out of tune but it sounded good to me and the girl who was playing was very competent IMO. Two instruments that have complementary tuning are going to have a richer sound than one alone. That's why orchestras have say a violin section and not a violinist. I did follow a couple of videos on propane cylinder drums but these are limited to the pentatonic scale. Not that there is anything wrong with that, just that it is not as versatile as the hang instrument.

Wrt Murphs point on what is a correct sound to an individuals ears, a lot depends on what you are used to hearing or what you have heard first. We all know from pop music that the original version of a song is the one you will prefer to a cover version. I don't know what mental processes are involved but the original is somehow the one that is correct. Cover versions are just messing around with the original. Surprisingly, if you missed the song first time around and came to it by the cover version then that is probably the one you will like best unless the original is by a famous band with a distinctive, well loved style. There are one or two cover versions of songs I still prefer over the original but not many.

freeacre said...

"..not the nice, gentle, freeacre we know." lol That's funny. I think of myself as pissed off and foul-mouthed. Nice, though. Thanks, SATS.

Have you been to Celestial Convergence's new site? It has a good compilation of earth changes, political news, and pertinent stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae3GMfAIW20

I like Andre Heath. He's Jamaican and writes from there.

I just can't get my mind around how much deception there is seemingly everywhere. It is disheartening. Like when I found out that the Bible was never written for me (a female) to read. Took 'em 300 years to decide we even had a soul. The pricks.
See what I mean?

Anonymous said...

Point taken on the sound of guitars, I'll never part with the unbadged classical I got from the recycling centre for £5 even when someone offered me £80 for it :)

Hangs are a slightly different beast, I've listened to a lot of them, some sound terrible, (not that the example was "that" bad, or even bad at all) it just seemed to lack depth. I have some metalwork skills and figured I could make one, after a lot of research I decided against it, the skill is in the tuning not the construction, which is why some fetch thousands with a 3+ year waiting list (I'm still waiting for my PANart) while others fetch hundreds and you can get one return of post, you can also buy untuned blanks and save yourself £2k if you think you're up to tuning it, I don't think I could do it!

Each note must resonate with all the others, you tune one note and it knocks the others out slightly, getting it right seems more art than skill, which is why there seems to be so few tuners.

this demonstration of before and after tuning is demonstrative...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJkovfujLiw

what about a familiar tune played on a hang?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRLowXKBiMw

GD.

Anonymous said...

I've decided I was being a bit anal, listening to the instrument rather than the tune, may bad :) GD.

freeacre said...

uh oh ...

"Source: Zero Hedge

Until this moment, the main reason why everyone mostly dismissed Europe’s sanctions against Russia is that despite all its pompous rhetoric, Europe consistently refused to hit Russia where it would hurt: its energy titans Gazprom, Rosneft And Transfneft. The reason is simple: by imposing sanctions on these core energy exporters, Europe would directly threaten the stability of its own energy imports (Russia accounts for up to 30% of German gas imports), and as winter approaches with every passing day, playing with the energy status quo would seem like economic suicide. This all appears to have changed last Friday, when as the FT reports from a leaked copy, Europe’s latest sanctions round will boldly go where Europe has never dared to go before, and impose sanctions on the big three: Rosneft, Gazprom Neft and Transneft."

murph said...

Hey Gd,

I often catch myself doing the same, listening to the instrument rather than the tune, most particularly with guitars. Often I hear the instrument out of tune just enough to catch my attention. That was a big deal when I had the instrument shop. Players would come in that were working bands and couldn't tune their instruments correctly. Big rap by me, often heard with amazement. No fretted string instrument of conventional design can be played absolutely in tune. Our music scale won't allow it. It is a matter of how far out of tune and where in the pitch. It is all a compromise.

I can imagine the problems with a hang drum around this.

Anonymous said...

I admit to using one of those cheap clip on digi tuners, I can tune the guitar to it's self without one, even get it close with a tone tuner thingy you blow, but it's MUCH easier with an electronic gizmo, by about 30 mins LOL :) Gd.

rockpicker said...

Murph, You know the difference between a banjo and a motorcycle?

rockpicker said...

You can tune a motorcycle.

Freeacre; I went to that zero hedge article, and clicked the link Bloomberg provided concerning the evident building El Nino. I was curious because Ben Davidson, (Suspicious Observers,) has been saying the expected el nino in the Pacific may not materialize. Anyway, thought I'd check out what Piers Corbyn has to say about the coming winter, and I found this.

http://iceagenow.info/2014/06/global-cooling-imminent/

Here is Piers speaking before a gathering of the Electric Universe proponents, in Jan., 2014.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R26PXRrgds

Anonymous said...

SATS

Fa ;-)

In no particular order, I will start with an asside, a pop song from the 80's where the second version was different but equally pleasing as the original. Only You, the original by Yazoo has a good singer and clever synth rhythms.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIiyT67Sjbg

the second one is by The Flying Pickets. I am reluctant to call it a cover version since although it has the same tune and same words they were not trying to recreate the original effect. I think they pulled it off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgDKtLPp46s

Murph, Gd, everyone. Murph wrote:
“Big rap by me, often heard with amazement. No fretted string instrument of conventional design can be played absolutely in tune. Our music scale won't allow it. It is a matter of how far out of tune and where in the pitch. It is all a compromise.”

I would like to take some time supporting this statement,by reference to a film. It is going to take some work since I will have to guide you to the relevant sections of the links I will provide. I think Bela Tarr, a Hungarian, is my most respected film director of all time but I am quite prepared to admit he is hard to take and he is certainly not for everybody. The particular film I want to discuss is called “Werckmeister Harmonies”. It deals with natural order; social order and various forms of deception. As with all Tarr films it is in glorious black and white. All references are to the IMDb of this film.

I wrote a review for this film about three years ago so we will go there first. Unfortunately IMDb only allows reviewers 1000 words and I got straight into the points I wanted to make so you will have to pick up the background of the film later.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0249241/reviews?start=20

Go to page three of the reviews and scroll down to the one titled “Same Difference” I can't remember again the mental thread that resulted in that title. You can read it all but the second paragraph is the one that is relevant to Murphs point.

Here is the front page for the film:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0249241/

On the top right hand side go to quick links:

To know more about the film go to Plot Summary and then Synopsis

For the full Gyorgy Eszter quote re the tuning of stringed instruments go to Quotes, Gyorgyt Eszter.

Enough of the film. Final point is that J S Bach's 24 preludes and fugues for the well tempered clavier (12 major keys and 12 minor keys) is that the Well Tempered part refers to the instrument being tuned perfectly to that particular key and not the Werkmeister compromise.

murph said...

Since there appears to be some interest in this subject of tunings and the resulting harmonies I will elaborate a bit more on SATS post on the subject.

During the period of the "great composers" there was quite the debate on what we now call the "western 12 note scale". It was supposed to be mathematically true. It isn't. A perfect 3rd built on a perfect 5th should make an octave. It doesn't It is off by just a bit. If you have sensitivity to such, it can be heard. Fretted instruments are no able to compensate for this, so tunings have to be off just a bit. On a guitar it is the B string that has to be flattened by a few cps. and on most instruments the G string is sharpened by a few cps. If you tune each string to perfect pitch, you will notice that chord formations up the neck start to sound off frequency. Not by a lot, but it gives horn players fits because they also have to play off pitch just a bit. Violin players also can compensate, they have no frets.

Now for you guitar players, there is a maker on the west coast that has recalculated fret placement for guitars and bases that does the compensation. As you go up the neck the frets begin to slant. These instruments, for fretted instruments, can actually play in tune. They are a tad pricey though. A guy that lives near me has a bass and six string made by this maker. They look a tad weird for sure.

Anyway, most music theory books that talk about tunings talk about this abnormality.

The folks that deal with pitch and tunings also have established that a drop of 1 1/2 steps from our present scale pitch produces a very much different emotional response to the music. It is the same pitch that was used by the great composers of the past. Not too long in the past, the pitch was raised by a couple of steps and it gives the music a completely different flavor and a different emotional response. Poll Pots sings in the lower non modern registry. Very different emotional response is generated by him compared to the singers that raise the scale that 2 steps in pitch.

Interesting isn't it?

Anonymous said...

Murph, I went down this tuning rabbit hole when I was researching those weird noises heard around the world a few yrs back, there's a whole bunch of conspiracy theorys on why the tuning changed (432Htz Vs 440Htz), why one frequency tuning is said to be a healing frequency, in tune with the universe mathmatically, and the new one was to induce unsettling/negative/unbalancing feelings in the listener (which all sounds plausible).

I think the "old" standard tuning is more natural because it matches the innner ear, which has a Fibonacci spiral (as a lot of nature/natural things seem to have in one form or another).

more here for those interested...
http://omega432.com/432-music/the-importance-of-432hz-music

I came to the conclusion the rabbit hole is too deep for me, I just play what I like to play, if it doesn't sound right/nice to me, I don't play it :)

Interesting on the slanted fret thing, never heard of that, I'd sure like to play one though :)

It's interesting how certain chords make you feel too, the minor chords can be really sad/melancholy chords, Am seems the saddest chord on my classical, then we could get into scales and we'd be talking all night LOL great stuff :) GD



rockpicker said...

Here's Ben Davidson on weather science. This may help provide more context with which to assess the recently announced European energy sanctions. Sounds like a risky proposition, to me, but hey, what could go wrong?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9GWDhw1-k0&list=UUTiL1q9YbrVam5nP2xzFTWQ&index=2

No mention by Ben of this HAARP alert map of the US.

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/09/massive-haarp-attack-reading-for-eastern-half-of-united-states-3025648.html

Another Ben on depopulation among the elites

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/09/benjamin-fulford-untimely-deaths-many-more-are-going-to-die-before-this-is-over-3025442.html

murph said...

Gd,

I was interested in that link to Omega32 to see what they had to say. For some reason it won't load, even the basic web site won't load. Hmmmm conspiracy #342

Anonymous said...

SATS

Good article Gd the last section was the most interesting. I didn't understand anything in that section about Saturn and the standing stones but I only read it once. I guess it was relating these numbers to natural ocurring phenomenan. If it is important I will give it more time.

I have two electronic tuners, one by Stagg and the other by C Giant. Both tune in the range A = 435 → 445. Neither drops to 432 It must be some standard circuitry used by the Chinese. Natrually,I have set both to 435.

Anonymous said...

SATS

Murph, do you have a link to the manufacturer of those guitars with the skewed frets to see what they look like? This is just pure curiosity on my part. Are they electric or acustic?

Anonymous said...

SATS

Hey Murph, you actually meant Paul Potts, I just got millions of hits on the Cambodian killing fields :)

Anonymous said...

SATS

So I was re-reading the Omega 432 article and sometimes you accept things for the moment when you are on the limit of your knowledge in order to see where it goes and then you get to a point where you realise that although you don't completely understand it, you know something is definitely wrong because what they say is at odds with what you know. Then you read it again just to make sure and find that what you thought was a typo in fact wasn't. Although they had mentioned water, the word solutions, which your eye has skipped over, didn't seem to fit with what they were saying. The word was in fact solitons and it was there three times. What is solitons? So you blue the word out and right click. Yes, I would like you to search the data base for 'solitions'. From the thousands of hits you decide to take the Wiki because that will give you the most straightforward answer in a couple of lines and then you can get back to the article. Sometimes you realise that you have made the wrong decision. The article is about 5000 words long and the majority of it consists of hyperlinks. In fact there is more blue on the page than black. So you carry on reading, trying to ignore the rabbit holes of hyperlinks and find it is a sort of standing wave produced under very special circumstances but the very special circumstances are not that unusual since the universe is full of these things. Even the Schroedinger wave equation is one. I remember doing this for my chemie degree all those years ago. You start off with Dalton s view of the atom where electrons are compared to planets going around the sun and a few lines later the page is filled with the Greek alphabet. My prof never told me this was a soliton, I wonder if he knew. Maybe I should have asked him, if I had known about it, just to try and catch him out. Nah, I wouldn't have done that. Back to the blue and black page. Do you struggle on hoping that enlightenment will enable your brain to become one with what is on the page or do you throw it all in the air. Well, now I know how the pretentious Tony Hancock felt when he wanted his mates to see him reading Bertie Russell :) And all because I wanted to know why musical instruments tuned to A = 432 sound better than those tuned to 440 cps.

Anybody want to make any sense out of this and write a Solitons for Dummies article?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soliton

I guess some things always will be hard.
I am not being derogatory about the Omega 432 article which on balance was a good explanation. I just wish they could have got through it without mentioning solitons.

murph said...

Oh my, solitons, solitons, the world is filled with solitons. Got to admit I don't understand it either. Read several articles on it, I have a generalized concept but the specifics.... Yikes.

All this discussion concerning pitch and tunings seems to revolve around a chemical emotional response to different pitches and scales. Some time ago I remember listening to the same song by the same artists at 2 different tunings. One had a much more pronounced emotional effect and it was the lower tuning. One explanation given to me is that the higher tunings have more of an excitation effect, a higher tension kind of thing. I haven't gone into depth on this phenomena but I have experienced it.

And yes, I did mean Paul Potts. lol. Comes from not proof reading close enough.

Anyway, in music, I find that a lot (not all) of the modern pop music to be irritating and not enjoyable to listen to. Would be interesting to hear a direct comparison by the same musicians(singer) of the same song, same arrangement, at the different tuning.

Anonymous said...

Solitons he-heh :) I said it was a deep rabbit hole LOL

This is the wrong mediun for communication sometimes, I need to wave my arms about at the very least! Just think of it as a moving solitary standing wave, who needs the maths behind it, or the whys and wherefores, it just is ;)

If you really want to peer down this rabbit hole, here's part one of David Wilcocks talk about his book "The Synchronicity Key" it goes on a while, if you thought the Omega article was deep, you ain't seen nothing yet! (I did say this rabbit hole was deep didn't I) too deep for me I'm afraid, I peered down it a few yrs back, and like I say, I just play what sounds nice ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0xwWesxI4A

(read the videos full description for clues where he's going)

GD.

Anonymous said...

opps wrong video (but same subject) David wilcocks talk on "The Source Field Investigations" is the one I wanted to link, I've not seen the other one so not sure if he delves into the 432Hz thing, he does at some point in this one! (deep reabbit hole warning, don't say I didn't warn you ;) )Gd

Anonymous said...

So I started looking for some music in 432Hz, some good stuff about...but... it's not the slanty fret stuff with proper intervals between the notes (as I understand it) it's just a guitar in tune with it'self with the A set at 432 and the other strings tuned to it... some nice spanish stuff here...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mhjqguZjnc

Can't say the tuning makes it any better tho

Bit of digging later.... and a hilarious take on the 432Hz thing from a bunch of guitarists... (read the comments LOL)

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/columns/music_theory/432hz_crazy_theory_or_crazy_fact.html

These "slanty fret" guitars are called "microtonal" or "Subharmonic" seems there's a few different sorts of em, some are fixed fret, some are universal, even seen reference to a magnetic fretted guitar (whatever that is!) here's a microtonal being played in a duet with a fretless guitar (sounds kinda weird to me) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT0z2nOyUlg

seems to work well with Bluesy stuff, check out Neil Haverstick "Birdwalk" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1110fgsIFo

And here's a tune based on fibonacci intervals played on a subharmonic guitar (this is getting weirder, tho not unpleasent)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuxOTE370a0

I take back what I said about wanting to play one, blimey a standard fretboard is hard enough for me LOL.

If anoyone finds anything exceptional on a microtonal subharmonic thingymajig that doesn't sound like it's from India, post it up :p GD.






Anonymous said...

SATS

Here is an article that is crap because it is based on a false premise, 440 electronically converted to 432 – side by side, which do you like best?

http://acousticengineering.wordpress.com/2013/12/13/pitch-shifting-to-432-hz-doesnt-improve-music/

I have just spent a fascinating half hour reading the comments, it is one of those things that is so good because it is so bad.

One guy started with some magical, celestial number and worked out pitch frequencies to 64 decimal places. The next comment was “ My tuner only works in integer values”

I think the most relevant one was this:

Congratulations, Trevor, you win the attracting-the-most-comments-from-raving-loonies prize

You guys will have check this stuff out ;-)

Gd thanks for that but I will probably check in with you before I check out with the article.

Anonymous said...

Ha! great thread that SATS, but my fave comment on this so far goes to someone on the Ultimate guitar thread...

"i really wonder how Pythagoras measured 432hz in the year 5000BC, he must have had an app for his iStone."

ROTFL Gd. :)

murph said...

For those that are curious, here is the web site of fanned fret instruments
http://novaxguitars.com/index.html

rockpicker said...

From Zero Hedge:




"Obama's Broad Coalition Cracks - UK, Germany Won't Support Airstrikes In Syria
Tyler Durden's picture
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 09/11/2014 11:59 -0400

Barack Obama
Germany
President Obama



inShare1


Well that didn't take long. After espousing his strategy last night of leading a broad coalition against ISIS, it appears President Obama's "allies" are backing away from the plan. As The WSJ reports, Germany and the U.K. on Thursday ruled out carrying out air strikes on Islamic State militants in Syria. It appears the Europeans, realizing the ire that these actions will likely cause to Putin, are stepping back - "We haven't been asked, nor will we do it," German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier told reporters and his U.K. counterpart Philip Hammond explicitly ruled out air strikes in Syria, after the U.K. parliament struck down such a move last year. So that leaves the French?



As The WSJ reports,

Germany and the U.K. on Thursday ruled out carrying out air strikes on Islamic State militants in Syria, a day after President Barack Obama authorized the start of U.S. air strikes there.



"We haven't been asked, nor will we do it," German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier told reporters when asked about German participation in air strikes against the Islamic State, known as ISIL or ISIS, in light of Mr. Obama's speech.



"We need to be honest with ourselves in the current situation, we don't yet have a final, blanket strategy which guarantees that we'll be successful against ISIS and similar groups," the German minister said in Berlin.



His U.K. counterpart Philip Hammond explicitly ruled out air strikes in Syria, after the U.K. parliament struck down such a move last year.

* * *

If you like your new strategy, you can keep it... to yourself"

Anonymous said...

SATS

Murph, those fan fret guitars are well cool :) They sound kind of bright, I am guessing the ones in the video are tuned up rather than tuned down. The guy that was demonstrating them played predominantly jazz, are the solid bodies specifically for jazz or was this just more complex music for a demo? What sort of music does your friend play?

Ha, Rp, Obamas coallition of the willing didn't last as long as Bushes coallition of the willing before the willing took their ball home. I guess they know which side their bread is buttered on. Just guessing, If Germany is cozying up to Putin, they don't want to antagonise him by associating themselves with a looser. And the Bank of England is taking a step backwards as the dollar goes into free fall.

rockpicker said...

What force torches off paint,
blows out the glass,
fatigues the steel of fire trucks
but doesn't burn the gas?

murph said...

SATS

My friend here plays a lot of blues, older rock and jazz. He's a damned good player. I'd put up a photo of him but can't figure out how to do it, if it's possible.

Anonymous said...

Wow, nice guitars Murph! I'm back to wanting to play one :)

I can't find anyone playing a fan fret in 432Hz tuning tho. I spent momst of last night retuning both of mine (classical and an EJ200) my cheap tuner doesn't give me much of a clue where I'm at tho, tried setting the pitch down a tad on all the strings, it makes a slight difference, but not enough to be worth messing about with, it's such a faff! Course now I have to go out and buy a new set of strings too, my D string couln't take it all...

Some stuff definately sounds better tuned down as opposed to standard tuning, as you say Murph, on a chemical/emotional response level. Dropped D tuning is used a lot in bluegrass, I've not messed about with it much as you have to learn new chord positions for your fingers. If you listen to Dan Tyminski playing "man of constant sorrow" he's playing in dropped D, I play in standard tuning, I've tried dropped D but it'll take me some time to get it down, tho it seems worth it, Dans version is way better than mine :) Joni Mitchell uses different tunings a lot too.

on this 432 thing, how far out would the other strings be if you only play in first position? Surely it can't get too far out within the first 3 frets can it? Gd.

Anonymous said...

forgot to mention some syncrinicity... I got an email from Panthion Steel yesterday, these were the first incarnation of the pang drum which sparked the conversation on tuning. They have taken on a new tuner, incuded a link to a video of a before and after tuning, noteable difference...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsxbWHOcqn0

nice to know I'm still on the waiting list Gd.

freeacre said...

More bad news for the anti-ISIS campaign. This sure never made the news...

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/09/11/ISIS-Opposition-Killed-Bomb

freeacre said...

Geez, this weather... it's been freezing every night for about a week, then hot days. Yesterday it reached 90. Killed the squash and string beans. Got a heater in the medicinal herb greenhouse.
Didn't see any Northern LIghts from the solar flare last night. Anybody else see it?

rockpicker said...

I'm a little northwest of Yellowstone. Didn't see a thing at 1:00 a.m. Frost on the pumpkins this morning.

rockpicker said...

Still a classic...

http://www.corbettreport.com/911-a-conspiracy-theory/

rockpicker said...

Breaking---CDC whistleblower: "I've stopped lying."



By Jon Rappoport

September 18, 2014

www.nomorefakenews.com



Explosive...explosive...explosive...



What more could anyone want in the way of evidence for an ongoing crime?



There is a video posted at the autism media channel/YouTube, and at Age of Autism: "William Thompson's call to Congress."



It is a recording of a telephone call between CDC whistleblower Thompson and Brian Hooker, PhD. No date is given.



Presumably, the call was recorded before August 27, when Thompson went public with a statement admitting he, and his co-authors, cooked a study on the MMR vaccine and thereby hid the vaccine's connection to autism.



I also presume Thompson didn't know (or would now say he didn't know) that the call was being recorded.



Thompson makes highly explosive comments on the phone call:



"The CDC has put the [autism] research ten years behind. Because the CDC has not been transparent, we've missed ten years of research [on the autism-vaccine connection]."



"CDC is...they're paralyzed. The whole system is paralyzed right now."



"I have a boss who's asking me to lie...if I'm forced to testify, I'm not gonna lie. I basically have stopped lying."



"Really, what we need is for Congress to come in and say, 'Give us the data and we're gonna have an independent contractor do it,' and bring in the autism advocates [who understand the vaccine-autism connection] and have them intimately involved in the studies."



In this last comment, Thompson is obviously referring to new studies that would analyze all raw data on all vaccines the CDC has collected, and compare the data with rates of autism and other neurological damage in vaccinated children.



Thompson isn't talking about one vaccine. The CDC "paralysis" refers to a stoppage of all honest research on the causal connection between all vaccines and autism.



Thompson straight-out admits he has a boss at the CDC who wants him to lie and hide the connection between vaccines and autism.



What more does anyone need to make up his mind about what is going on at the CDC?



"I have a boss who's asking me to lie."



The boss wants Thompson to bury and hide the causal connection between vaccines and autism.



The CDC is a billion-dollar federal agency tasked with ensuring the safety of vaccines and protecting the public.



Thompson, a CDC scientist for many years, is stating the CDC has committed and is committing outright crimes, and is knowingly permitting vaccines to damage the brains of children.



The scum of mainstream media are refusing to cover this story, and so they are accomplices to the crime.



The Department of Justice, who surely know about Thompson, are refusing to investigate, arrest, and prosecute CDC bosses and researchers---and therefore, they, too, are accomplices to a great ongoing crime.



The FDA, in charge of certifying all medicines as safe and effective, is another willing accomplice.



And of course, the vaccine manufacturers are guilty of mayhem, destruction, and the poisoning of children.



I surely hope this information spreads far and wide.



Jon Rappoport

www.nomorefakenews.com












Anonymous said...

Songs to go to.. Steeldrivers, Where rainbows never die
Buried my love with a silver spade
Chris Stapleton, The right ones
Notting Hillbillies, Her own sweet way
Enjoy
Seeker

Anonymous said...

Met up with Mr & Mrs SATS this week, great to meet them, few beers and some good company, bit of musicality with SATS down at our place thrown in too :) they're still on their travels for a while, got some links to follow up with when he's back online.

Seeker: that's some good music right there!

check out George Ezra -

Budapest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9mLx-JVn0I

and Blame It on Me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mVCe0VeFIg

GD

Anonymous said...

Thank you GD, will check them out.
Have been diving deep into the "beat"
Philosophies of reductionism and 're-centering of oneself.
Am also flowing back into the music of blues, jazz and Americana with an emphasis on classic, old school simplistic elegance with different, beautiful acoustic accompaniments.
Our third horse, the cinnamon, paint daughter of my mare,is finally coming to Georgia.
Ryan and I ate excited. Our "family", will finally be reunited.
I am so glad that Sats, et al, and you and yours got together.
I bet, both the music and the conversation were wide ranging and scintillating.
Wish I could have been there.

More songs to open to the campfire.
Eric Taylor, with some harmonies from Nancy Griffith...
Two Fires, Storms,Nothin, by Townes Van Zandt, and Louie Armstrong's Broken Heart.
Again, Enjoy
Seeker

Anonymous said...

Anyone follow the nefarious goings on regarding the Georgia Guidestones? There's been some new work done, originaly there was a scribed square in one corner, a new cube was notched out in 2009, earlier this month this space has been filled with a new granite block with the inscription 2014. Seems a bit ominous to me. Gd.

Link

Anonymous said...

SATS

Home at last:) Didn't advertise the holiday on the web before it happened, didn't think that was a smart thing to do. It was a well needed and totally relaxing holiday and enjoyed by all apart from the huge amount of driving involved, that was the crap but necessary bit. Here are a few figures off the car computer. In 9 days: Total distance 1705km; Litres of fuel 91,9; Consumption l/100km 5.3 = +/- 45 mpg (imp). Didn't make any mistakes with the rh / lh thing thank goodness. One time I came off a supermarket car park where there is no rh / lh thing, just marked lanes and went round a mini roundabout which is no more than a painted spot on the ground on the wrong side, fortunately there was nothing coming the other way so I got away with it.
Meeting Gd and his lady wife was a high spot. Although he is too modest to mention it, most of the good guitar work came from him. I have been too busy with life and let it slide, then the fingers got soft. still only one major job to do and I can get back into it. Still, the beer and the crack (conversation) was where it was at. I don't want to malign anybody in my adopted country but talking English with English people is different than talking English with someone who can speak English. It is the use of idioms and a way of thinking that I had no trouble at all slipping back into.

Did the churchyard where my folks are buried. That was a big thing for me. One sad thing was that because of my frequent moving around, I lost contact with a very good friend who was my best man at my wedding with Chris. His wife couldn't believe we had just turned up on the door but sadly Derek had died a couple of years ago and they didn't know how to contact me. That set me back somewhat. She has two very lovely dogs that I was making friends with, a curly coat retriever and a black labracolly.

Most of the holiday was country walking largely along river valleys with a couple of shopping opportunity days thrown in. Talking about throwing in, one thing that was on the to do list of this hooligan wife of mine, was crossing the River Dove on the stepping stones. She went first and did the first few okay, then she went wobbly on the fourth stone so I went to steady her. She wasn't expecting it and turned full circle, throwing me backwards on my butt into the river much to the shocked amusement of the other walkers. She also went in up to her ankles, got back to the bank, emptied her shoes and did the stones in both directions barefoot. I on the other hand was dripping from the waist down, grrr. The things you do for love, huh ;-/
Today was the first miserable weather we have had and Chris decided the washing machine was feeling neglected so she is doing that whilst I am doing this.

Anonymous said...

SATS 2

I promised Gd a link but since Rp wrote :
“What force torches off paint,
blows out the glass,
fatigues the steel of fire trucks
but doesn't burn the gas?”
I will put it up here. It is from an interview by Dave Starbuck with Dean Warwick. He is the guy that was taken out on stage whilst delivering a lecture, many believe by somebody with a delta wave generating camera device.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gU0a7i2B0Y

The interview is an hour and a quarter but the pertinent bit is between minutes 3 – 10. The problem is that it is on a rather tinny sounding telephone line. Dean was rather fond of himself but if he has the stripes on his arm then I guess he was allowed. Probably best to play it through speakers whilst you are doing other things. Anyway, make of it what you will.

Final thing is that on the holiday, if Chris didn't have a rest in the day, she started to flag in the evening. Last night she went to bed early so I started watching rt.com (Russia Today) on the hotel satellite TV. There was a documentary on saying how Germany, through privatised government agencies, is monitoring all communications from all forms of electronic communications throughout the whole of Europe and sharing this with the US's NSA. Analyst have been responsible for innocent people and civilians being taken out and others being incarcerated for years on suspicion without charge. Also the CIA's little white plane which transported 'enemy combatants' from here to there was German owned and operated by Germans. So these reports of them cozying up to Russia may have a touch of hyperbole about them. One to see where it goes and not to put on the neglect list.

Anonymous said...

Hey SATS glad you're both back safe n sound :)

Here's that Spanish Guitar link we talked about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBO73s_-z4U Just get the scale down, do some scale exercises (shout if you want a link to some) and then mess about with it...
E open, 1, 3,
B O, 1, 3
G O, 2
D O, 2, 3
A O, 2, 3
E Bass O, 1, 3

I'll link you up on the frequency/sacred geometry rabbit hole in the morning as there's a film just starting :) Gd.



Anonymous said...

GD@SATS This is easy reading (all things being relative LOL) explore and see where you go

http://ray.tomes.biz/index.htm

Another easy to read style concentrating on the 440Hz Vs 432Hz thing http://www.sacred-geometry.es/en/content/concert-pitch-a432-and-c128#TOC

This one gets a bit deep...
http://vaczy.dk/

if you spend 1/2 hour per day playing the bloody thing instead of researching the theory of eveything, I think you'll get a much more pleasant tone ;)

Anonymous said...

SATS

Bloody hell Gd, what do you mean I have to get the guitar out, can't I just read a book and then go out and do it? Jeez, some people want everything. :) Been practicing that scale for a while now and it is coming along okay for the time I have put into it. Not sure exactly what scale it is but it is similar to a modified A minor. You heard me pick something in that scale, not very well or for very long but I had the basics so this was not very hard to convert to. Tuned the guitar up this evening and gave it half to three quarter hour. Sounds good on a descending run with an A minor or E minor stuck on the end. Also gave a few minutes to getting the speed up on 2 or 3 note runs one string at a time, then doing two or three string runs up and down. Given time it will come. Today was a bit messed up , had to go to nearly the Dutch border to get the doggies back and get a bit of groceries in too. IMO this is the best kennels for a long way around. They have a section for little doggies; one for big doggies and several acres for horses so they understand about caring for animals but most of all, our two don't mind going there. They can socialise with other dogs of roughly the same size. Gave the other links a look at too but didn't have the time to go into it too deeply. Not really interested in musical theory too much, more on the social aspects on the 'feel' of the music and why this is so. Also on Murphs original point of why harmonics of tunings of stringed instruments don't convert perfectly from key to key. I wonder if this Greek scale mentioned would be closer to how it should be? Probably a fan fret tuned to 432 or the diatonic Aristoxenus Greek scale. Would be as near as we could get it.

Anonymous said...

Good stuff SATS, keep at it and you'll soon be looking for more spanish techniques to add to it ;) I can't work out exactly what the scale is called either, like a lot of the chords/scales I do "modified" is a good description LOL

I put new strings on mine this week, I hate the first few hours with new strings, sore fingers and sounds more like a harpsicord or something. I have decided to have my EJ200 set up properly by a Luthier, I find it easier to play with a capo on, leading me to think the action could do with taking down a tad :)

Anonymous said...

SATS

here is a cutesey thing that I came across earlier called “Here is Today”. It is a bit like the timeline clock that appeared some years ago but taken to a much bigger geological time scale. Just keep clicking on OK +

http://hereistoday.com/

It put into perspective, the continental drift animation in the expanding earth video Gd put up a while back. I always think of continental drift when I melt a big piece of butter over a low heat on a fry pan or skillet and watch how it breaks up. The small things that ammuse us :)

Anonymous said...

I personally think that if you obsess over a perfect tuning by whatever methods that a lot of personality and beauty are erased and the technical result is colder and less accessible. i personally just use a pitch pipe if at hand to get e and then tune by ear via the fourth andfifth frets. i like a bit of imperfection in works of creativity and art. artists in japenese culture will purposely put an imperfection in their work, because of the inherent comparison to that which makes us human and thus capable of acts of both great destruction and creation. songs to go to...long monday, john prine and prairie wedding, mark knopfler.....regards, seeker

rockpicker said...

Is this administration at odds with itself?

http://www.infowars.com/fbi-says-no-one-killed-at-sandy-hook/

Anonymous said...

SATS

Rp, and probably Ambassador Stevens just got an nasty fright on the way to Grandma's house.

Seeker, Sure, lets not forget the music in all of this. Without that, nothing else makes sense. I could never use pitch pipes, my ears are not that good. Funny isn't it, we use electronic tuners and berate electronic keyboards :) I just think there is a growing consensus that thinks the lower tuning gives a more pleasing sound whatever the technical reason is for that. I was also interested why the Werkmeister work around was ever necessary in the first place. That is what sparked my interest in getting technical. Sometimes the timbre of different but similar instruments can have a more pleasing or less pleasing effect on the ear. For instance, I have always thought the Steinway concert grand piano has a too 'clinical' sound for my taste whereas the Bechstein has a more rounded sound and I have no idea what tuning standard is used for either of these two instruments. Those Japanese are insufferably smug. I am struggling to add a little bit of adequacy into all the imperfection ;-)

telena helotova said...

your email address doesnt work at least my email says it invalid lol.well you are doing what i would like to , have the chemtrail spraying afected your soil?I had a small garden went god for 2 years then third notr so good this year was pitiful.noting. of course my lil space is over done but i did enrisch soil with compost and some organic fertilizer i think it lacks sun one tree is definitley too much shade .planted soem cherry and peach from seed months ago do you know how long it takes tyo come up?want to plant blackberrieds. my brother and almost all my family live in oregon in cornelius.he has chickens. i am retired with a pension and would love to leave this are of souther n california.also have 3 firearms and soem nfo on medicines and stuff oh regards martin

freeacre said...

Welcome to our cyber-campfire, telena helotova. Always nice to welcome new people.

This year our garden production has been prolific, but for a few major disappointments. Peas and carrots have been pitiful. Not sure why - perhaps the soil was too alkaline for them. Carrots might not have gotten enough sun.

Chem trails were rare this summer, as opposed to previous years. Starting up again, but seem to be only a few days in a row at this time.

Sorry our e-mail doesn't work for you. We get many per day, so I don't know why you can't get through.

Cherry and peach trees from seed? You must be an optimist. lol


Anonymous said...

SATS

Hi, welcome in telena helotova. I had a quick look through your front page and you seem like a pretty switched on guy. The more on our side, the less on theirs and all that :) Hey, the Barak Obama birth certificate issue is old hat, and it doesn't make a damned bit of difference anyway but did you know that he had been subpoenaed to appear in court to answer alligations and neither he nor his lawyer bothered to turn up. Well, how do you know what you don't know. There we go, Government censorship protecting you from reality.

http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/02.12/empire.html

Anonymous said...

SATS

Hi, welcome in telena helotova. I had a quick look through your front page and you seem like a pretty switched on guy. The more on our side, the less on theirs and all that :) Hey, the Barak Obama birth certificate issue is old hat, and it doesn't make a damned bit of difference anyway but did you know that he had been subpoenaed to appear in court to answer alligations and neither he nor his lawyer bothered to turn up. Well, how do you know what you don't know. There we go, Government censorship protecting you from reality.

http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/02.12/empire.html

Anonymous said...

SATS

Fa, got a characters don't match message even though I knew they did, so I repeated the exercise and it put up both of them. Can you get rid of this and one of the others, thanks.

rockpicker said...

This is video #1, in a series of three, showing a strong, well-defined low pressure system off the Pacific Northwest coast, that should have, but did not, deliver a huge amount of rain to Washington and southern B.C. This guy nails it. Suspicious Observers, Ben Davidson, pointed out the storm's size and strength days before it was blown apart by human technology.

This is why it hasn't been raining in southern Cal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_57_zuaAgfo

Anonymous said...

Got turned onto Jack McMurtry...
He is a storyteller like his Daddy.
Song to go to... Ruby and Carlos
Seeker