Thursday, March 5, 2009

Expect the Unexpected

We are posting another guest post by Belgium (also known as Spirit Across the Sea). In no way do we advocate insurrection. But, in the face of the swelling tide of states threatening to secede from the union, the thoughtful presentation of the subject of this post bears some discussion. And so, from Belgium:

The military version of the United States Oath of Allegiance
runs as follows:
I, {insert name here}, do solemnly swear, (or affirm), that I will
support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all
enemies, foreign and domestic as well as the left wing liberals; that I
will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this
obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of
evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the
office on which I am about to enter. So help me God. (Note that the
last line is not required to be said if the speaker has a personal or
moral objection)

I would like to start by looking at what a domestic enemy
means to the citizenry and also to agents of the administration.

If we follow the logic of the Oath then any person who
breaks allegiance with the constitution is an enemy of the
United States of America. The question now turns on what
is meant by the United States of America; is it the land; is
it the American citizenry or is it the apparatus of state? In
this sense it is obviously not the land. Of the other two
could it be either one or both? In fact, are they divisible or
are they one and the same? During the presidency of GW
Bush, many of the citizens felt that both he and Veep
Cheney had bypassed the Constitution so many times that
they in fact were enemies of the state and should be impeached.
Bush has called the Constitution “Just a damned piece of paper”,
thereby showing his complete disregard for it. Dennis Kucinich filed
a motion for impeachment but the leader of the house lost her resolve
and reneged on bringing the motion before the house.
Bush argued that since he had been democratically elected
as head of state, whatever he decided was what the
people wanted even if it was in contravention of the
Constitution. So a perceived enemy could not, in this case,
be tried by Constitutional means which leaves the question
of whether the Constitution has any validity. Is it an
anachronism of the past which is largely just window
dressing in today’s world or does it still have meaning and
for whom is it meaningful?

The Department of Defense (DoD), is Constitutionally
charged with defending the USA against its enemies.
Traditionally this has meant going overseas and fighting
wars but what if the enemy was perceived to be American
citizens? Well thankfully for Rummy, he was never placed
in the embarrassing position of having to take his mates at
the White House into custody. Is it possible to imagine a
future situation where food shortages within the USA
became so severe or where the financial or monetary
infrastructure collapsed so severely that the majority of the
citizenry rose up in a popular front, comprising everyone
from Communists to the Religious Right against the
established mechanism of government. What would be the
roll of the DoD in this particular case? Who would the
enemy be; the common people; the leaders who were
perceived as negligent or the captains of industry who if
push came to shove, could easily disperse into other
countries?

Retired Lieutenant Colonel Nathan Freier who is now a
visiting professor of Strategy, Policy and Risk Assessment
at the US Armies Peacekeeping and Stability Operations
Institute and a Senior Fellow in the International Security
Program at the Centre of Strategic and International
Studies has looked into this issue and produced a 36 page
report entitled “Known Unknowns: Unconventional Strategy
Shocks in Defence Strategy Development.” This was
written in response to former Secretary Rumsfeld’s remark
(paraphrased) that “There are things we know we know;
things we know we don’t know and things we don’t know
we don’t know”. This report criticizes the DoD for only
providing plans for a military response to evolving
situations in foreign countries. Here is what he has to say
on the subject of what must be considered in the event of
an internal insurrection.

“Violent, Strategic Dislocation Inside the United States.

As a community, the defense establishment swears to protect and
defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. DoD’s
role in combating “domestic enemies” has never been thoughtfully
examined. Thus, there is perhaps no greater source
of strategic shock for DoD than operationalizing that component of the
oath of service in a widespread domestic emergency that entails rapid
dissolution of public order in all or significant parts of the United States.
While likely not an immediate prospect, this is clearly a “Black Swan”
that merits some visibility inside DoD and the Department of Homeland
Security. To the extent events like this involve organized violence against local, state, and national authorities and exceed the capacity of
the former two to restore public order and protect vulnerable populations, DoD would be required to fill the gap. This is largely
uncharted strategic territory.
Widespread civil violence inside the United States would force the
defense establishment to reorient priorities in extremis to defend basic
domestic order and human security. Deliberate employment of weapons
of mass destruction or other catastrophic capabilities, unforeseen
economic collapse, loss of functioning political and legal order,
purposeful domestic resistance or insurgency, pervasive public health
emergencies, and catastrophic natural and human disasters are all paths
to disruptive domestic shock.

An American government and defense establishment lulled into
complacency by a long-secure domestic order would be forced to
rapidly divest some or most external security commitments in order to
address rapidly expanding human insecurity at home. Already
predisposed to defer to the primacy of civilian authorities in instances of
domestic security and divest all but the most extreme demands in areas
like civil support and consequence management, DoD might be forced
by circumstances to put its broad resources at the disposal of civil
authorities to contain and
reverse violent threats to domestic tranquility. Under the most extreme
circumstances, this might include use of military force against hostile
groups inside the United States. Further, DoD would be, by necessity,
an essential enabling hub for the continuity of political authority in a
multi-state or nationwide civil conflict or disturbance.

A whole host of long-standing defence conventions would be severely
tested. Under these conditions and at their most violent extreme,
civilian authorities, on advice of the defense establishment, would need
to rapidly determine the parameters defining the legitimate use of
military force inside the United States. Further still, the whole concept of
conflict termination and/or transition to the primacy of civilian security
institutions would be uncharted ground. DoD is already challenged by
stabilization abroad. Imagine the challenges associated with doing so on
a massive scale at home.”

What he appears to be arguing is that the status quo must
be maintained for the benefit of those who are opposed to
the insurrection and to prevent a riled up citizenry from
getting their hands on nukes. I would suspect that these
are not the only reasons for considering such actions. It
does appear to provide an authoritarian solution without
addressing the causes of the unrest. Two further questions
arise here. How likely is such an event and is the proposed
response reasonable.

On the How Likely question, there is a growing tide of civil
unrest throughout Europe and Asia. Whilst isolated events
like the Tiananmen Square tank man and the Korean
farmer who shot himself at the WTO protest can be
dismissed as white noise, something annoying in the
background which does not affect major outcomes, there is
a general groundswell of unrest which taken collectively, is
becoming more difficult to ignore. Often the triggering
event has little to do with the release of tension which
follows making them almost impossible to predict. I will
wager that the Greek policeman who shot a 15 year old
youth earlier this month did not realize that his action
would spark a wave of anti-globalisation conflicts in Spain;
Denmark; Italy; France and Britain. These have largely
been quelled but it should be remembered that just
because you have managed to silence someone it doesn’t
mean that you have got them to agree with you.
Meanwhile, China is fighting fires on quite a few fronts. As
the US economy goes gradually down the pan, it is taking the
Chinese economy with it and factory closures are
depriving the workers of the little they already have. The
USA is largely quiet for the moment but with resentment
and anger mounting at the prospect of future generations
being put into hock in order to provide the banking class
with what they consider to be rightfully theirs and with
more and more Americans living like Palestinians as a
result, a dangerous head of steam is building in the boiler.

As to the reasonableness of a DoD response against its
own citizenry, I doubt if even the tech savvy portion of the
nation would know what to do with a nuke if they suddenly
found themselves in possession of one. On the wider issue,
of whether the military should be used to lock down its
own citizenry it should be recognised that this represents a
transition from a democracy to a dictatorship. The original
meaning may be as a temporary measure but temporary is
a very elastic word. I suppose that if such a thing were to
be seriously tried it would ultimately depend on how the
grunts collectively interpreted their Oath of Allegiance.

There may be an alternative, however which could make
the whole situation very much simpler – or more likely,
very much uglier. This is where states, individually and
collectively invoke Amendment X of the Constitution. There
are two parts to Amendment X. The first deals with the
division of responsibilities between the Federal Government
and the individual States; the other part deals with
individual states seceding from the Union or rather
dissolving the government in order to reconstitute it. The
Federal Government is supposed to control the borders;
the currency and the military, all of which it is currently
failing on, yet it has over time increased its power by
assuming responsibility for grey areas which fall between
the responsibility of the Government and the States.
Laissez faire attitudes by the individual States has allowed
the Federal Government to pass laws which are in direct
contravention of the tenth amendment. By saying “Enough
is enough”, the States are exercising their real power by
threatening to secede from the Union. If 2/3 (33) of the
states issue papers invoking amendment X they effectively
have the right to sack the government and if they so wish,
form a new constitution. If this were to happen it is likely
the old Constitution would be essentially retained but with
clear divisions of what is expressly allowed to Central
Government with no ambiguity or possibility of creeping
federalism. It is also likely that Congress would take back
its real power and become the force it is supposed to be
instead of the Muppet Show it has become.

Mainly as a result of fears over the imminent collapse of
the monetary and banking systems six states have filed
papers declaring their sovereignty since the Obama
administration took power, others have previously done it
and many others are proceeding with it. Here is the list:
The State of Washington (2009); New Hampshire (2009);
Montana (2009); Hawaii (2009); Michigan (2009); Arizona
(2008); Oklahoma (2008); Georgia (1996); California
(1994). Lined up and ready to go are: Colorado;
Pennsylvania; Arkansas; Idaho; Indiana; Alaska; Kansas;
Alabama; Nevada; Maine and Illinois. Wyoming and Mississippi
may also follow suit. This makes 9 definites, 11 in the process
and 2 possibles, making 22 in all. As well as
concerns over monetary and banking issues, many states
are rejecting federal intervention on issues such as the
National Guard; Posse Commentates and FEMA Prisons in
the events of rebellion, revolution or Civil Demonstration.
Arizona’s Sovereignty Bill further asserts their states right,
during martial law to recall servicemen to protect Arizona
State.

The danger lies in the fact that the Federal Government
including the President are in fact representatives of others
who will in all probability resist any loss of powers. Some
States, like Arizona may recall troops to protect their state
whilst other troops may be called on to fight on behalf of
the Federal side. There will be confusion as each soldier

questions what his Oath of Allegiance means to him.
Meanwhile there will be no shortage of money to fund
Blackwater type mercenaries to support the Federal cause
against those who the Federal Government is charged to
represent and protect.

I am no clairvoyant or soothsayer and in no way can I
predict the future. All I can do is tell you of the way things
are shaping up. Things never go as predicted, there will be
many surprises along the way and you can be sure to
expect the unexpected.

Sources

Known Unknowns

http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pubs/download.cfm?q=890

Unrest in Europe

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,465604,00.html

Unrest in China

http://www.taiwandc.org/wp-2004-11.htm

Tenth Amendment

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=141786

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Firestorm-Brewing-Between-by-Lance-L-Landon-090217-130.html

77 comments:

Anonymous said...

Very good piece Belgium...

"I, {insert name here}, do solemnly swear, (or affirm), that I will
support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all
enemies, foreign and domestic..."


Unless those that are in place to uphold the law and to mete out punishment accordingly when offenses have been committed against the pledge, act in adherence to the original laws regarding treason with intent to protect the sanctity of those words, these become words just words nothing more and nothing less.

Bush knowing full well that nothing would become of his and his cohorts breaking the pledge can, with comfort of knowing they are untouchable, truthfully say that indeed the Constitution and all it provides for "IS" nothing more than a "Damn piece of paper"...or parchment.... and you know what? He is right on all counts because the American people will do nothing to correct a wrong where there leaders are concerned. If the American public is not willing to stand up for what was fought for by the founding fathers then it is and will remain JUST a Historical piece of paper.

What America is in dire need of is a new Revolution... me thinks it is in the wind.

Ely

Anonymous said...

after you are done reading all the links as provided by Belgium and still crave more reading material here is another interesting link....

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/177727-Connecting-the-Dots-The-War-on-People-Obama-s-No-Change-and-the-Hardening-of-Right-Wing-Israel

Be waned it is a long article but has a lot of interesting things in it....
Ely

freeacre said...

Duck and cover, People...

http://market-ticker.denninger.net/

Read all that has been written today, March 5.

...from a deck chair on the Titanic, "Why have we stopped?"

Anonymous said...

We are

sooooooo

freak'in

toast!

Hey Ras, ah, I don't think it was me starting a guru.com thingy. I'm too busy watching the lemmings jump off cliffs and drinking beer. Ah, but some good news! Utah (the state of my domicile) has decided not to screw with people who make their own home brew! Woo-hoo! As Carl would say, "So I got that go'in for me."

-Dude

Anonymous said...

From Belgium,

Yes Ely, it looks like it is just another piece of paper for the shredder. When I wrote this piece I had no idea that the individual States may be trying to get out from under because Obama may have given away Eminent Domain to support a non negotiable lifestyle in the face of an unsustainable debt. I really don’t know if this move to sovereignty is negotiation or a serious attempt to throw a spanner in the plan. Anyway, Senators and Representatives won’t be kept in the dark for too long, bad news doesn’t work like that. It will be interesting to see if they ever get up to 33.

I really have no idea if there will be an insurrection or not, it would be a lot better if there wasn’t. I was maybe foolishly hoping for the type popular movement that brought Chavez and Morales to power. I guess you know, living in South America, that Chavez was abducted a few years back and a new junta installed. The ordinary unarmed people from Caracas and from many miles away went and surrounded the Presidential Palace in their tens of thousands, and stayed there and stayed there. Eventually the new lot panicked and gave them Chavez back. That’s the way you hope it will go but you have to be prepared for the alternative. I started off here by knowing the main bits of the Oath of Allegiance and wondered if anybody had looked at the possibility of a domestic enemy and what in fact that might mean, then I found the Known Unknown thing and thought that the military thought patterns were interesting in moving to retain the status quo without considering the issues involved.

If push comes to shove, I don’t know if it is better to square up for a scrap which with modern crowd control weaponry will be a bit one sided or like the Murphs are largely doing, getting on with your life without getting too involved. My late mother used to say “Ignoring them cuts them worse than a whip”. I guess if the Chinese army turns up on your door and demand the keys to your living place, it is a bit late to start ignoring them.

Btw, that was some link you put up Ely.

Mf, I meant to put this up on the previous post.

It was the time of the preacher in the year of 01
An' when you think the killin’s all over, it's only begun.

Anonymous said...

My little old mother sent this link, and believe me, if she is thinking about this stuff, it is going mainstream. How on earth can the people resist such an invisible enemy?

http://www.counterthink.com/025682.html

anazuzo

Anonymous said...

RAS,

I was the one who suggested guru, and I have learned a few things since. They have made some changes since my sister used it a few years ago. They are taking a larger percentage (similar to that of a temp agency), and they have opened bidding up to contractors in India.

http://www.rateitall.com/i-18708-gurucom.aspx

On this site there are mostly negative reviews, but a few had good results. I suspect it depends on the type of work you do and who you get matched with. If you are curious you might try registering for the free service and see what kind of jobs are pitched to you.

anazuzo

Anonymous said...

Belgium...

It truly is a sad state of affairs. I think what saddens me the most is that the average American has no knowledge of what is coming down around them, it will be an Oh My God What the Hell Just Happened Moment when it hits.

Unfortunately the SHingTF will not be reserved just for the good Old US of A, it will be global. I keep telling those that I surround myself with here in Colombia we live in very precarious times. Some actually listen but most think I am talking out my ass so to speak, yet daily happenings or events are becoming more and more strained here.

The events of which do not make it to the main stream news, they come by way of word of mouth. So you see even here the press is mandated not to report that which might excite the masses.

I do not know what the eventual outcome will be... maybe we all should just bow down and try to figure out how to just go below the radar of those who wish to control. But that by admission is just living in fear of being discovered, and that by extension is not living. I believe that a life lived in fear is a life not lived at all.

anyway here is another article I found of interest...

http://www.rutherford.org/articles_db/commentary.asp?record_id=581

Hasta luego
Ely

Anonymous said...

More regarding the bill of food safety that is trying to be put through congress...

http://shepardpolitics.blogspot.com/2009/03/hr-875-would-essentially-outlaw-family.html

Ely

Anonymous said...

From Belgium,

Seen this?

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/579.html

What sort of conditioning exercise is going on and why?

It now seems that law abiding American citizens are "The Enimy"

Well there you have it, they voted a government into power that wants to punish them for their excesses.

RAS said...

I expect insurrection eventually, but probably not in the way most people think. I expect the country to gradually fall to pieces as the Great Depletion really gets going. As far as the fire power issue is concerned, remember, most modern weaponry is very sensitive and depends on long supply chains, delicate electronics, and so forth. If power starts becoming unreliable and gas runs short, eventually the cops will run out of ammo.
Secondly, the insurgents in Iraq were terribly outgunned and look at the mess they made of our forces. Armies don't work very well against homegrown insurrgencies. That lesson has bene proven over and over again from the time of Rome on down.

I've finished the post-peak ficition serial I've been working on, and am now editing the last two segments. They should be posted in the next two-three days. I have REALLY enjoyed writing this (as much because I can put 'I reckon' in a story as anything) and now am thinking, now what? What do I with it? LOl. What a nice problem to have!
If you want to read it, the first part is here: http://myflightfromthegrid.blogspot.com/2009/02/part-one.html

murph said...

Ras,

lol, you forgot to include "that's pitiful"

RAS said...

Has anyone seen this? http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-875

Anonymous said...

A vision? or just a good guess

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=91097

Anonymous said...

Hi all...mrsp here. Some stiring thoughts Belgium. We're definately in for some shockers. Many are numbing up to it all though..you know not paying attention as usual. I enjoyed readng your post. Everytime I re-read Rubicon I remember how intense the big chess game is. Or should I say cheese game.

"When the going gets tuff, the tuff get going" or...go shopping? Well whatever but when there's a "national crisis", (except for the mysterious worse than '29 crash we're already in that's headed straight for the drain), you can bet there'll be plenty who have their own "fire power" and will do as they please if they're feeling pushed. If only the many who do have this ability were educated and organized but many are just thugs.

This is the one thing that often haunts me a bit. Hell the cops can't even control all the gang stuff in the cities. Lately there's been daytime hot prowls where the people are at home and getting robbed. What are they going to do when Joe the Plumber goes postal from too many prescription drugs, he's had enough and just wants to unload a few rounds, he can't buy food or gas and he's already been kicked out of his home either by the bank or the landlord? The whole scenario of things turning weird over night scares me.

I don't have a gun. Closest thing to a weapon is a very long and heavy mag light, a few iron skillets, a large french knife and a 20 lb attack cat. Maybe I should go get a good louisville slugger baseball bat. What I may actually need is a large automatic something or other with a telescopic site or just a daranger or luger strapped under my skirt. I can't imagine it all getting so bad that we'll have to be barracaded with weapons, clinging to our lasts bits of food. Not my idea of fun. Growing and sharing food will be my only weapoin of survival. I would probably give away all my cookies first.

It's so true still...even now...still? that most people are clueless to how their world functions even locally and the ones who understand it can't really stop any of it except how and where they spend their pennies. Many could speak volumes if they all boycotted the right (wrong) stuff at the same time. A lot of this "other" economy has been growing for some time. This kind of "turning away" from the grid in all areas of life seems the most effective. Some things are harder to give up but every little thing you change has a ripple effect.

It will certainly be interesting to see what "divisions" arise from the trials and tribulations the "haves" will endure vice a versa what the "have-nots" will choose when and if they organize. I'm hoping most friends and neighbors will do good things all over the world as we turn into the Grapes of Wrath. Meanwhile it's an elite group that thinks they control us and the world. Harmony runs through nature and will continue after we're gone. Perhaps we should aim to get back to nature as much as possible. The old dinosaurs must let go for they're no longer needed. mrsp

Anonymous said...

y'all following the pissin contest between cnbc and jon stewart? can't wait to see if this morphs into the market reformers/deep capture story... http://www.deepcapture.com/


...p

Anonymous said...

From Belgium,

Mrs p. You had me laughing “When the going gets tough, the tough go shopping”:-)

As to the police not being able to control the bad elements, it seems to be getting like a politicians job – one which has to be tendered for. When they apply themselves, like in Seattle or Miami they don’t seem to have too much of a problem. And the citizens, who do go postal, like the Columbine kids for instance, are all on mentality modification medication.

Never utter those famous words “I don’t like it, it’s too quiet” because in another ten seconds you are likely to have an arrow sticking out of your chest. I jest of course but what is starting to greatly irritate me now is the normality of everyday life.
As has already been noted, the greatest military in the world was beaten to a standstill by a bunch of coolie hats in Vietnam and towel heads in the Middle East. They did alright against the Sandinistas and the people from Grenada though but don’t mention Cuba. The problem lies in the fact that whilst those in the Middle East didn’t believe that mother knows best and it was all for their own good, the home grown population might just go for it.

Anonymous said...

From Belgium

Here is Rp's man doing a one minute special performance.

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/580.html

Anonymous said...

There have been some interesting pieces published recently that dance around these same topics. A kind of syncronicity appears to be developing. Perhaps a consensus is building as to what the people of the earth need to do to turn on a little "stopping power," to borrow a phrase from pastor Rod Flash.

Yesterday, Rense ran a piece by David Icke. If you know who he is and what he's been promoting for twenty-some years, it's a short refresher course. If you have never heard of him, he's one of the leading voices warning of the dangers of the New World Order. His line is that the current economic collapse is all the creation of the international bankers, the masons and the Roman Catholic church, in league with one another to destroy nations and nationalism, pit the jews against the Arabs, to their mutual destruction, and eventually establish one-world government. None of this is news to most of us. But towards the end of his letter, he offers us 'landless peasant/fucks,' to quote the supremely perceptive and succinct Deek Jackson,
advice for the near future. Using lines from John Lennon's "Revolution," he builds a convincing case for why we should resist the temptation to go 'apeshit' against the authorities, ie. riots, looting, etc. He advocates resisting the PTB, for sure, but argues for peaceful, non-violent protest.

Much is being said online now about the real possibilities of violent backlash on the streets of America. As you, Belgium, have pointed out, the military is well aware of this potential and is preparing for it. I saw the exact same "Known Unknowns" quoted somewhere in my reading yesterday. Can't seem to locate it now. But Rense, Steve Quayle, Cryptogon and LATOC are all carrying similar stories that mention the stress from economic pressures on the working classes turning into violence. Icke suggests official warnings strategically placed in the mainstream media actually plant the seed of violent behavior, and that this is intentional. He believes the NWO gang is just waiting for an excuse to unleash its thugs.

-rockpicker

Anonymous said...

Ach, aye, Belgium, my good chum;

And here's another clip I will offer up as evidence the wrong man got elected.

Have a nice day.

-rp

Anonymous said...

Geez, one of those days...

http://www.uhuh.com/control/garden.htm

-rp

RAS said...

Hey everyone. I'm exhausted. My new part-time job really sucks. The words 'retail hell' about sum it up.

It can't be a good sign when you'd rather shoot yourself than go back. I will go back, of course. I need the money to bad. And it doesn't help that it pays so little I have to keep all my odd jobs, which means I'll be working well over fifty hours this week. I just got off of one job and I'm about to go do one of my cleaning jobs.

I have the most insane desire to tell the customer to put back their $60 jeans and use the money to start a garden.

Anonymous said...

Belgium: Good point on the homegrown population thing. Out in public when grocery shopping etc. I notice how docile people are, kind of withdrawn and spaced out. Never had to take any Rx's and avoid them but amazing how many people take prescription drugs with the thought that they're going to do some good. IMHO, 95% of them are more harmful than anything else. mrsp

Anonymous said...

Sorry to hear about your burdensome workload, Ras, but here's a news flash we all need to be aware of and start figuring what to do about it, should this happen.

H.R. 875, the Food Safety Modernization Act of 2009, sponsored by Rep. Rosa DeLauro, (D-Ct) will effectively outlaw all organic farming, even the growing of personal gardens for your own consumption, as it is written.

Can't believe it, right?

Check this out:

http://dprogram.net/2009/03/09/video-bill-to-%E2%80%9Cban%E2%80%9D-organic-farming/

-rp

murph said...

rp and everyone,

We WON!! Our 2 1/2 year battle with the county government ended the first phase tonight. We forced a referendum on the county ordinance concerning septic systems and got it tossed out, and by a 3 to 2 margin, which is a hell of a margin on a county wide vote. It's been a long hard fight with all of the media against us.

The next step is to get rid of the corrupt county staff and the corrupt commissioners.

While I am very certain that citizen groups are not going to affect national politics, and are tenuous for state politics, at the local level, good organization and prolonged effort can affect local issues.

Our group sort of took over a local establishment to wait for the returns. \When it was announced we had won and by a sizable margin, there were tears of joy. Two local TV stations covered our celebration.

Considering this is the most corrupt county in the state, it is a real message to the PTB. Actually, this referendum has national implications, it will be interesting to see if it is covered in your local news.

murph said...

And not only that, This whole thing started with 3 very pissed off housewives.

freeacre said...

Like you, Rockpicker, I have been thinking that TPTB are trying to goad the populace into fighting or rioting, so we can fight amongst ourselves and they can use that as an excuse to ramp up the "security measures" against us all. Rioting doesn't work. Look at Detroit. They rioted years ago over the Rodney King thing and some neighborhoods have never recovered.
Money is the only thing that counts anymore. The most radical thing we can do is get out of debt, and make alternative arrangements. Buy local. Produce our own food. Get involved in local politics, and attempt to build communities that take care of each other. Join fraternal organizations. Stick together and demand that the culprits behind this meltdown get jail time. Let the dinosaurs fight each other.

freeacre said...

Oh - Bill Herbst has put up his March newsletter and it is worth a read. As usual, he sums up the clusterfuck real well and also puts it into a larger perspective that gives one hope that the paradigm is actually changing.

http://www.billherbst.com/News109.pdf

Anonymous said...

From Belgium,

Heart felt congrats Murph and Freeacre – from humble beginnings and all that. You mentioned spreading the seeds of legal dissent on fertile ground so why not go Oregon wide at least and get the Anderson Valley Advertiser to do one of their special pieces on the issue? It’s just a suggestion.

Rockpicker, I knew David Iyck (not personally) from when he used to do the Saturday afternoon football commentary on ITV, then he went weird for a while talking about the incredible power of blue light, which disenchanted his employers somewhat, then he disappeared for a while before reappearing as a clued up human being. David Shayler unfortunately seems to have completed the process in reverse order, apart from the sports commentary so far.

RAS said...

Congratulations Murph and Freeacre! Yay!

murph said...

Everyone,

I stumbled across this very interesting article in my meanderings this morning that goes well with Belgium's posting. Well worth the read.
http://www.newswithviews.com
/Vieira/edwin.htm

Anonymous said...

Murph,

I just read Vieira's piece. So excellently crafted logic! Many are speaking along such lines.

As I surf the web, I'm sensing a new stirring in complacent bones. The pain of unemployment and homelessness has been excruciating for many Americans. Add to that the threat of ALL 401k's, IRA's, pensions and social security being tied up by the Fed's, ( see Karl Deninger,)and it's too much to sit quiet about. People are coming unglued. A spontaneous emotional release, as cathartic as it is contagious, is, I predict, now in early -flower mode.

Let a new verve swell our winded hearts. Let RAGE find her triumphant horn.

It is music to the ear to hear these convergent voices, (long-silenced and presumed dead,) raised in melodious discontent.

It is time for us to sing
our warrior's song.
And it is time to right
a hundred wrongs.

http://www.rense.com/general85/lies.htm

-rp

Anonymous said...

From Belgium,

Resistance has been mentioned and some are following an idea of resistance by non co-operation with the system through individual choices. People are generally becoming aware that these choices are becoming more limited in their scope as cat chases mouse. Here are two aspects of resistance, although there may be many more. In fact, although they are very different in approach, they appear to be saying a little of the same thing in alternative ways.

Here is the more oblique one which tries to unfathom the nature of human nature.

http://resistancestudies.org/?p=180

Here is the lay it straight out on the table version.

http://www.etresoi.ch/Denis/disorganisation.html

Anonymous said...

Below are two links to youtube video series. The first is Ron Paul, interviewed by Alex Jones, (who actually behaves himself).

The second is an interview with Peter Schiff. Obviously, I'm recommending both.

Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders are each introducing legislation in their respective houses of Congress that will mandate audits of the federal reserve. We need to encourage our 'representatives', (and I used the term guardedly,) to pass this legislation. However, after reading an analysis of the Chas Freeman affair by Professor of International Relations, Harvard, Stephen M. Walt, my faith in Obama and his 'team', including congressional democrats, doing anything that is right and necessary to correct our accelerating dissolution is on the wane.

As aforementioned, H.R. 875, introduced by Rosa DeLauro, (D-Ct),
if passed in its present form, promises to bring all who intend to grow their own food major 'toil and trouble.'

Another nut has introduced a bill that will effectively end all mining on public lands. In the middle of a global economic meltdown you introduce measures to further collapse your basic industries? What are these people smoking?

Belgium, I am going off to view your two links now and will check back in afterward.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atD_bnUSUO8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoNluNVZnds&feature=related

-rp

Anonymous said...

Belgium;

www.etresoi's paper on disorganization is quite insightfull.
I find myself agreeing with most of his assertions. One thing that came to mind, while reading the other piece, strangely, is the potential lack of feedback to participating resistors and what damage might be incurred to resistance morale.

The Spanish civil war comes to mind. I wish I knew more about those brave partisans who fought Franco and his fascist friends. "For Whom The Bell Tolls" is as close as I have gotten to understanding that conflict. (Btw, "the fire in the cave above the stream" reflects Hemmingway's own graphic imagery.)

Whether you perceive Obama to be an integral member of a sinister cabal, as do Icke and his ilk, or simply a clueless politicial pawn, flying by the seat of his inexperienced pants and listening to bad advice, it's becoming evermore obvious that things are going 'south' for the majority of honest Americans.

By design, or stupidity, policy appears to be coming that will all but guarantee major opposition, on the part of the working class in this country, to official authoritarian dicta.

One last item, then I'll shut up. On page 232 of the American Reinvestment and Recovery Act of 2009 there is mention of smart grid. Money has been set aside to pay for this. Better read up on what these assholes in D.C. have in store for rural America.

http://www.blacklistednews.com/news-3563-0-3-3--.html

NAIS means lots of chips down on the farm, and that's no small potatoes!

-rp

freeacre said...

I'm so happy that you are able to be back and communicating with us again, Rockpicker. While I think that riots are counterproductive (burning down your own neighborhood, etc.), I, of course do advocate resistance in as many ways as we can. All the links suggested in the comments are good. The ideals of Freedom and Liberty which we were taught were the basis of what is the best about this country, are being eroded at every turn. It's depressing and frightening. I try to not get ahead of things and project my worst fantasies into the immediate future - but it is hard not to.
It seems as if the archetypal concepts of freedom vs. slavery have never really left us. It's just the same battle in different forms. The enslavers and the enslaved are the root of the problem. To some of us freedom is like oxygen - we have to have it or we die. For others, not so much. And for the slavers, I guess they are compelled to control and dominate those around them - whether they use a whip or a microchip. Maybe it has always been so on this planet. Maybe that is what we do here. I don't know.
I seem to not know a lot of things - except that I won't live with tracking chips in my body or my food or my animals. I would love to figure out a place to go where this is not happening.

Anonymous said...

From Belgium,

Rp, why on earth should you shut up, that’s the last thing we want you to do.
Keep it coming man. That Smart Grid article sure was interesting and is a major jig saw piece in making the overall picture recognisable. I have got to the point where I accept as routine, every crazy thing that comes to light. Maybe the country hicks are not that far along the line yet and need a bit more numbing down.

Over here I am sat with something similar on my screen but whereas your piece was one page adding flesh to something which was in a report, what I have is a 60 page report of hard facts and I don’t know what to do with it. I feel I need to tell you guys about it but it is too big to put up as a comment link. Between all the facts are lists of committee members and no one (well hardly anyone) will read it. I have transferred it into Word and been going through it with a highlighter but even at this stage there is not much disappearing. Now I am thinking of abstracting it as a list of main points. I think I will do something to seriously reduce it over the weekend and bounce it off the Murphs. Maybe It will see the light of day in one form or another or there again not. Anyway, it is time for me to butt out for a while and let someone else have a turn.

Anonymous said...

Belgium;

I appreciate your kind encouragement, and am actually in need of same right now, as two friends have not so quietly informed me I've become boring and a menace.

Such is life.

In other developments, Steve Quayle has just published an article issued by Alex Jones concerning a secret report being circulated by Missouri law enforcement, in which Ron Paul, Bob Barr, Chuck Baldwin and others who talk about the constitution are being considered
"terrorists" by authorities.

Here's a link to the above-mentioned article on Quayle's site;

http://www.infowars.com/secret-state-police-report-ron-paul-bob-barr-chuck-baldwin-libertarians-are-terrorists/

Small bit of saving grace, the report was passed to Jones by a member of the Missouri law enforcement community.

(So everyone knows, my input has been sporadic lately because I'm working out of town and don't have good access to a computer. I do try to read everything, but can't always respond verbally. It's cold here this week, so I'm home, making the most of my off-time to read all I can. Also, since my work/living arrangements do not include internet capabilities, I went to the library and took out Naomi Wolf's "End of America: A Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot." I highly recommend it to everyone, as it will provide some context with which to view and analyze soon -to -be-unfolding events, m'thinks.)( It's on cd.)

-in love and skepticism,
rp

-

Anonymous said...

Wooo-hooo!! Hey sports fans! I got my rant spewed-out by Jack Cafferty on CNN's "The Situation Room" (or Wolf Blitzer's "AIPAC's Dungeon of Lies")

It's the second comment he read, "Randy from Salt Lake City."

http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2009/03/11/is-the-us-a-shrinking-superpower/

Ok, so now ya'll know who the "Dude" really is. The thing is, all of my neices and nephews call me "Uncle Dude" and people who bump into me on the street say, "Sorry, dude." So hey, I figured "Dude" would be my Cyclone name when I stumbled upon the "Real Deal" a couple years ago. Geeez, has it been that long?

Anyway, to me "Randy" is such a pansy-ass name. I always gave my parents crap over it asking, "Why couldn't you name me "Clint Eastwood or something?"

On another note: what the freak's with the stock market going up, dangit?!

Randy
(commenter formally known as "Dude")

Anonymous said...

I don't know. I've always thought 'Randy' had a certain prolific 'urgency' associated with the name.

Congrats on the rant thing.

-rp

Anonymous said...

back my way and back in the day a dude named randy was the badest good guy in the county... p

Anonymous said...

and now something for a Friday the 13th.....

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126985.000-fart-molecule-could-be-next-viagra.html


...hmmm who would of thunk it... a natural aphrodisiac LOLOLOL

Ely

Anonymous said...

Tired of worrying about your economic future? Kick back, pour yourself a big cup of coffee, and listen to this:

http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/special/rense_T_Fife_031009.mp3

-rp

Anonymous said...

Her is a video presently being streamed on Prison Planet regarding Obama...semes to be alluding to something happening on the 15th of March.....hmm

http://pimpinturtle.com/2009/03/12/obama-deception-fast-download-100-mbsec-server-available-for-the-next-12-hours.aspx

Ely

RAS said...

RP, don't shut up. We like your rants. I think the problem with your friends is that they don't want to see the way things are going. Someone said a short time ago that those of us who predicted this mess and/or saw it coming are going to be the least popular people for a while. Later, we'll be prophets.

There's nothing wrong with the name Randy, dude. Now, if it was something like 'Radish Sprout', then you'd have a problem ;-)

Anonymous said...

So, to satisfy another lingering, nagging curiosity, I googled global coastal event, and came up with this:

http://current.com/items/88843010/global_coastal_event.htm

trend seems right, timing seems skewed. Interesting mention of a female leader arising out of the south to champion food, water and human rights issues. Can anyone report on the meeting that has just taken place in Seoul, in coordination of International Women's Day? Did Vandana Shiva participate? She and Ahrundati Roy are two of my favorites.

-rp

rockpicker said...

Ooh! Check this one out. A clause, "a footnote to a footnote" included in the Lisbon Treaty. Wow!

http://www.indymedia.ie/article/86592

-rp

Anonymous said...

Man, if we let these fucking criminals get away with this shit, we deserve everything they do to us from here on out!

http://www.rense.com/general85/own.htm

-rp

murph said...

rp,

"Man, if we let these fucking criminals get away with this shit, we deserve everything they do to us from here on out!"

I went to all your attached links.

Let's assume that all the stuff we are being exposed to of this nature is true. What do you figure could be done to stop it? As far as I can determine, stopping it would involve a national rebellion, (probably a world) physical revolt. To get that started, it would have to go main stream news. My rather jaundiced view of MSN says that this isn't going to happen.

Plus, if a big attempt was made to get it out as general information, the propaganda campaign against it would be incredible. Until something radically changes in the country, social traction of this kind of conspiracy just simply won't happen.

Look at the last election. If this information had come out big time, AND it was believed, AND could be proven to be true, what was the alternatives available? McCain and Palin? Not so sure that would have been any better at all.

Personally, I am quite convinced that where we are now for all these money manipulation, perhaps communist conspiracy, whatever, have been a long time coming, at least since the 1940's and in some respects since the end of the civil war. I think that this situation has been carefully orchestrated and had some set backs, but the PTB have learned, obviously better than the rest of earths population. Through careful manipulation of MSN information and outright repression of information, we got to where we are. It is easy to point the finger at the PTB and their minions, I do my share of that. But at the bottom line, we all bought into it at some level and supported it. We succumbed to the lure of 'something for nothing'. We bought into 'the great American dream' and never looked at the end consequences of that dream. We bought into the politicians rhetoric, we bought into the land of dreams and fantasy. We all have done that to such an extent that the price we will pay for such unthinking capitulation is going to be extreme. Instead of insisting that we keep things simple, we have allowed a top heavy complexity to overwhelm us to the point that we can't understand how it all fits together except in a most general way, and the few that have this understanding are marginalized or in power and have too much to lose by rocking the boat. This has allowed the take over of our lives. It is true that what we have sown, so shall we reap.

I sincerely would like to have a suggestion or answer to what to do about it. Other than on a personal and very localized basis, I have no other idea of what to do. We are caught up in events of such magnitude that we can only stand in awe and settle in to see what is going to happen next, with no ability to alter the progression. All I can see us doing is to prepare the best we can for these events we see coming.

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