Monday, November 2, 2009


Grievance or Gratitude

Monday, and I feel compelled to get a quick post up because we have well over sixty comments going on the previous post. All excellent, by the way. A much brainier post is in the works by Belgium. I stole the phrase “grievance or gratitude” from James Howard Kunstler’s latest Clusterfuck Nation essay this morning. He is referring to the upcoming Thanksgiving season, which seems to be buried in the malls by Halloween hoopla and the Christmas marketing blitz. He doesn’t think that folks are feeling particularly grateful this season, since unemployment is still on the upswing, many unemployment checks are expiring, the federal government is on the verge of bankruptcy, commercial real estate is about to go bust, and so forth. In fact, he intuits that when people get wind of the outlandish bonuses that will be paid on Wall St. around Christmas, a fair-sized segment of the population just might go postal. He even envisions a possible coup or some sort of disintegration of the federal government itself! That seems a tad over the top, even to me.

The consensus of opinion, at least from our little slice of consciousness at the Campfire, seems to be that President Obama is impotent to protect us from the banking and corporate globalists at best, and, at worst, a willing shill for the Reptilian puppet masters. I think of the sociopathic Big Boys pulling the strings as reptilian, due to their seeming inhumanity. They seem to be incredibly unconnected to the vast majority of regular people as to be another species dressed up in a suit. Cold-blooded, ruthless, greed-driven, malicious, and monstrous, they have proven capable of entrapping their victims whole, wrapping them up in a web of deceit, and eating them alive, like spiders. Okay, I know that spiders are arachnids, not reptiles, but they are not human, that’s for sure. The latest report this weekend on Huffington Post, and quoted by Kunstler (or was it George Ure?), that Goldman Sachs was going around the country buying up real estate mortgages that they knew full well were toxic, then bundling them up and selling them to foreign banks and pension funds. Meanwhile, they took out insurance against these derivatives so than when they failed, they would cash in. When the most prestigious financial institution is doing shit like this, with all the domestic and international ramifications, there seems to be no limit to how far they will sink. And, their perception of the people involved at the other end of these transactions are as dispassionate as the grey aliens are reported to be when observing a hapless abductee undergoing an anal probe. The banksters, the stockbrokers, and their minions in the legislatures are the aliens, and we are the herd suffering the mutilation. Sucked dry of our life’s blood and lying bloated in tent cities and underpasses, wild-eyed and crazed, or simply dazed and confused, the misery of the masses is about to get worse.

Why not? The Federal Reserve has already devalued the purchasing power of the dollar by 97 cents since 1913 and gotten away with it. The wealthiest five percent now own ninety percent of the wealth of the land, since Reagan and his chuckle headed “trickle down” theory of economics became the law of the land. The false flag event of 9/11 threw enough people into a panic that the constitution has been dismantled, and now virtually anyone can be labeled an “enemy combatant” and renditioned, tortured, and incarcerated forever without trial. The NSA just opened up a new center to help with the surveillance of our e-mails and electronic transactions – and they plan to invite corporate entities to man the facility as well. We can probably look forward to having quotas set on items to buy. I can hear the call now…”Hello, Ms. Freeacre, this is Hal, from Business Watch. We notice that you have not purchased the minimum telecommunication services and food products to keep your credit in good standing. Is there anything wrong? How may we help you?”

Oh, crap, there I go again… getting all paranoid and shit. But then, there was this Mossad agent surrounded by a zillion cops with advanced weaponry who was arrested and apparently sent back to Israel to suffer consequences after he divulged that the swine flu virus has been weaponized. It may be what is causing this hideous bleeding lungs epidemic in the Ukraine. Suddenly the web bot predictions on immanent disaster don’t seem so far from the mark. If you aren’t certain of what I am referring to, just go to today’s (11/2) Urban Survival site (linked at right) and read the column and follow the links. Or Cryptogon. Just reading this stuff is enough to give one a nose bleed. If Baxter Corp. (Donald Rumsfeld just happens to sit on their board of directors) has, indeed, released the Spanish Flu into the world again, we are looking at millions of deaths. And, if the vaccine is contaminated with adjuvants of squalene and mercury, we can anticipate additional long term suffering beyond measure. Oh, yeah, and that guy from U.N. who was found dead at the bottom of a stairwell who was working on seismic monitoring of possible nuclear testing sites also used to work in biological warfare… well, I’m just connecting some dots here. Don’t mind me. His was the second “suicide” from that lethal stairwell at the U.N., by the way. In addition to the scores of dead micro-biologists world-wide. Nothing here, citizen, just move along and buy something at your local mall.

Well, with all this, the “Death of the Dollar” and the possible attack on Iran by Israel doesn’t seem so far-fetched after all, does it? Oh, wait… we have comforting “news” by Katie Couric, et al, on the lamestream media that assures us that things are looking up for the “recovery.” Just who’s recovery is not real certain, but it looks like it doesn’t extend beyond the reptilian sector. Merciful Mother in Heaven…

The gratitude part of my headline refers, I guess, to our local and cyber communities who continue to carry on and attempt to inform, support and defend each other against these seemingly endless assaults on our collective well-being. On a personal note, I can report success after my first week on the Ultra-Simple detox and anti-inflammation program that I started. I lost twelve pounds in a week, which is pretty remarkable. Twelve less pounds to haul around in case I find myself playing commando. So, that’s a “good thing,” as Martha Stewart would say…lol.


Anonymous said...

From Belgium

Hi Freeacre, Is that a picture of one of the ‘assets’ GS are snapping up?
Sometimes just having a grumble is good even if it isn’t :-) By the way, I still don’t have a subject but would have found something to fill the vacuum as it were. I was thinking more along the lines of plagiarism with references. Unless that is you want me to flesh out our recent musings but that is probably not so fine an idea. Anyway, RAS may come over the hill to the rescue which will give us all a breathing space.

Congrats on loosing the best part of a stone, I am impressed. Maybe the loss of weight will enable a bit more gentle exercise to keep it off, even if it is only walking away from the computer a bit. I don’t want to be a downer but the first thing to go is usually water which is the easiest to put back on. When I was in my 20’s I decided to do something about my developing beer paunch. The answer I came up with was to cut out sugar in my tea and coffee, ha. Funnily enough I could never go back to sugar now but the coffee is never as good as it was before :-( I am a complete hypocrite when it comes to eliminating mid meal picking. Most of it is boredom snooping, I do need to get more active.

Re your post, I just thought I would let you know that plans are afoot to link the EU computer with the DHS data base. Randy’s tropical island is looking increasingly attractive; either that or buying a boat to wander the seas for ever. I understand the Somalians have a few going spare.

RAS, this is worth a watch.

nina said...

A perfect photo accompanying your post. I woulda painted that image inside and out and probably moved in. We note the fencing, likely designed to keep out wandering livestock. It doesn't work at all. Cows are like Gazelle when they get curious.

Belgium, of course that is one of the assets. The whole landscape of the US is littered with our history. The story isn't hidden, its plain as day for anybody looking, anybody wondering what happened.

Anonymous said...

From Belgium

Ha, no need to wonder Nina, we know it was foreclosed on. Have you noticed that the fence is electrified (click on the photo), probably to keep wandering hobos out? Somebody obviously thinks it is worth paying the electricity bill to protect their asset. After all, it’s not possible to hold a title to something that no longer exists.

Anonymous said...

Whoa! You have GOT to check out these trailers for the movie "2012."

I haven't been to a movie theater for a good long while, but I might have to spurge for this one. It looks like it'll be two whole hours of TOTAL destruction of the entire planet Earth! Art immitating life -or life immitating art? Hmmmmmm.... we might find out in few years, eh?

Of course, I'll bring a jacket with plenty of pockets for stashing numerous munchies. Malted milk balls (Whoppers) are my favorite with Mike & Ikes a close second.



freeacre said...

lol ... I took that photo just about a half a mile up the road from our house. It's an old shack that is on a ranch that is going to seed. There's also a dilapidated corral nearby. The previous picture was the other end of the pasture. I met an old man while working for the little local newspaper who actually lived in that shack when he was young. We've got hot and cold running shacks around here. I could take pictures of them all day long. It's one of the things that I actually like around here.

Hotspringswizard said...

Another fine entry Freeacre. I find myself shaking my head in agreement as usual :-) Its like we are of the same mind, the way you put your thoughts to word.

So you lost 12 pounds in a week. Great to see your making headway with that program your on. At that pace you will be almost gone by the end of the year :-) I would suggest you don't want to lose weight too fast as that can cause you problems too. At any rate weighing less sure does feel better and better as you achieve your desired goals.

Well corporation news media is saying the recession is over and greenshoots are sprouting all over the place. And then you hear a report like today on Free Speech TV about the bankruptcy of CIT, which they said was the fifth biggest in US history. The fundamentals of this failing economy don't lie and across the board things look very bad.

On the chemtrail front, by brother in northern cal had some government people ( I'm trying to remember which agency ) up to his place recently to do PH test on the soils on his land. He has been communicating with these people about all the trees dying on his property, even those with plenty of water, like in his riparian areas.

Before the testing he inquired of the officials what levels they expected to find. After the testing these agency officials were quite shocked by the results, which should have been into the acid range but were actually quite alkaline, which would be consistent with the contamination caused by chemtrail aresols.

My brother has done numerous testing of water samples ( streams, ponds, rainwater ) and all have exceedingly high levels of aluminum and barium, which are what would be expected, as seen in the patent information of known weather modification technologies.

Its not like we don't have enough to deal with already than worrying about what posionous crap possible government weather control experimentation may be raining down on us from the skies.

I see today on the weather channel that an abnomally early and intense snowfall in china ( Bejing I think ) is being attributed to a weather modification program run by the chinese officials.

Another recent article spoke of Moscow officials considering weather modification to keep it from snowing there, causing the snow to fall outside the city.

MSNBC had an article speaking of much greater attention being given to various geo-engineering projects to release aresols from high towers, planes, ballons, etc, all as a " last resort " of course.

My brother thinks they are already doing weather modification programs here in the US. The MSNBC article had a title that spoke of something like we may have to choose between blue skies, and doing geoengineering which will put up a haze of aresol produced fake clouds.

Well if you live especially in Norhtern Cal where my brother does, you already see this kind of thing on a regular basis. For me I'm just keeping my mind open to it all. My brother has certainly shown me alot of info ( testing, etc ) that sure seems to support that this kind of think is on-going, right now.

I told my brother this evening that I think that the repercussions of the deteriorating economic conditions will overwhelm the people with difficulties that will have a much higher priority in their minds over an awakened realizations they might come to regarding the repercussions of ongoing weather control experimentation. Not that the potential negative fallout from these programs might be very serious, but when you have no job, no savings, no money for food and stuff like that other concerns tend to be farther down the priority list of things to worry about. You might be breathing in some Aluminum and Barium but more on your mind will be you have no money, you are hungry, and you lost your home.

freeacre said...

Damn straight, HSWizard. I think the next post pictures should be the chem trails that trout clan is experiencing. On the home front, sometimes there will be a lull of a couple of weeks. Then, we wake up to trails just to the West of our home that drift right on top of us day after day. More added as the day goes by. We have a couple of friends who are scientists. Maybe we could interest them in checking out the soil around here for aluminum and barium...hummm. So, I invite people to send us pictures of local chem trails and we'll make a collection to post every so often. Of course, with all the other catastrophic crap going on, I agree that it is not on the top of everyone's list of priorities.
We just watched a truly suspenseful movie called "State of Play" with Ben Afflack and Russell Crow. A political intrigue movie revolving around plans to have Homeland Security privatized and Blackwater taking over on the domestic front. Quite unnerving.
It looks like it's going to take something akin to what is portrayed in the 2012 movie to take out all these nefarious global plans. Holy Cow, Randy, that looks like the Mother of All Disaster Movies. Don't see how they could ever top that one. Yeow!
Belgium, I also enjoyed the clip of that inspiring commencement address - without ever have had to endure a class at Harvard!

Anonymous said...

From Belgium

HSW, I have no idea why your bro’s land is turning alkaline but IMO it is doubtful it comes from the chemtrails. I am no apologist for chemtrails but chemically it seems unlikely. There are only 96 naturally occurring elements that soil can be made from and the normal isotopes of 14 of these are radioactive to varying degrees so we can eliminate these. The main constituents are aluminium and silica so it is unlikely aluminium or its oxide resulting from the spraying will have any effect on the pH of the soil. Apart from that, aluminium as amphoteric, which in this case means that the metal ion does not influence the acidity or alkalinity of its salts. Apart from this, aluminium is something called a Lewis acid which is a bit chemically esoteric but means it is more likely to react as though it were an acid. If they are spraying say aluminium hydroxide, I would have expected this to break down to the oxide by the time it reached the ground. The only barium salt that is in anyway soluble is the nitrate which is an acidic salt. All the others are more insoluble than limestone. What is of greater concern is that if the spray is particulate in nature it is likely to be sub-micronic and can bypass the human filtering system (the hairs in your nose) and get directly into your lungs. I would like to be able to point an accusing finger at the chemtrails but spraying is occurring all over the world and there are no reports, to my knowledge saying that the pH of land in general is increasing. I sympathise with you brother and there has to be a reason for what is happening. Is there any new industrial activity higher up in the watercourse?

RAS said...

I'll probably wait until next week to send my post in, since this one is new. Good post, FA.

Randy, lol: that is one 'doomful' movie. But I love that quote: 'When the goverment tells you not to panic...that's when you run." Lol.

Zoner said...

Mark me down for a dose of gratitude, please.



wv; wumphose

rockpicker said...

Old Scene

All the essentials were there, the river thin
from distance in the canyon below, the house above
the canyon and the old man pruning trees. Whatever
he felt left out appeared, the carnival band
in step on the dirt road, the road remote enough
to need a name, lovely girls asking directions.
The old man's house was the last one. After that,
the road forever in the sun. He looked down that road
every noon and nothing came--mail or flashing girl.
He needed a dog but that you couldn't provide.

In time you gave him wisdom. A way of knowing
how things are from photos. He stared long enough
to make the photoed live. A farmer told him
pears grew big in '97. Children danced at dawn
and horses, the horses ran and ran. You let him
ride one and you helped him learn which woman
in one picture loved him at the Baptist fair.

You joined him one day at the river. After hours
of trout you walked together up the long slope
where he pointed to his house. He said 'Come in'
and built a fire and you said 'I live here too.'
Some days, the road fills suddenly with clowns.
The carnival band plays every tune you love.
Lovely girls stream in. You are dazzled
by their sequins, and the odor of their cooking
makes you laugh. Other days, the road hangs
empty. Not even birds can raise the dust.

--by Richard Hugo
from his collected poems,
Making Certain It Goes On

rockpicker said...

George Filer talking about ufo's and Clif High talking about 2012 tonight on Jeff Rense. You can listen in free on American Freedom Radio, 8:00 mountain.

Has anybody heard anything about the Ukrainian situation on mainstream media?

Belgium, what's the buzz over there? What little I'm getting sounds like fucking Baxter finally accomplished what they've been trying to do since tainting blood supplies with HIV.

rockpicker said...

Hey, gang, you gotta go look at Dee's illustration on the website before it changes. It's a picture of Joseph Moshe, the Mossad microbiologist who tried to warn the western world that the evil mutherfuggers who mistakenly believe they own this rock, and everyone on it, were getting ready to do a little 'housecleaning.'

wv: bredless

rockpicker said...

Here's some important new explanation of what we might be up against. Clif High was interviewed on Rense last night for two hours. This supplement helps one to visualize what High is describing.

To understand the full impact of what is being discussed, I think it would be advantageous to watch the Patrick Geryl interview Bill and Kerry posted recently on the project camelot website. High fleshes-out Geryl's theories with math and graphics, and if he's correct, what is coming soon will dwarf our social and political tribulations.

For me, having some prior understanding of the mechanics behind this accelerating chaos offers an insight into what we might expect and how we might prepare to deal with it.

What High says smacks of truth. He is the first I'm aware of to succinctly tie all these bits and pieces together into a cohesive and understandable warning.

Time is short. Attempts to educate stubborn skeptics will probably prove to be a waste of precious time.

(Closer to the now: proof of domination and conspiracy to control your perceptions-- not one word on the monster thrashing about in western Ukraine!)

freeacre said...

Rockpicker, I fell asleep in my chair listening to Clif last night, but I got most of it. Also, read the supplement info. Will also listen to the Geryl interview. If all this jumps off as predicted, that 2012 movie sounds like it's pretty much on the mark. Sounds like the next item on the survival "want list" should be an ark.

If this is all a natural, cyclical, occurrence, then maybe we aren't so hopelessly flawed after all for "over" populating the world over this amount of time. Maybe it's just enough to ensure the seed population for the next go-around. Who knows?

We are pretty far from the coast, but surrounded by 40 volcanic cones that will probably turn into big Roman Candles when the molten magma starts to swirl around. Well, there's no getting out of this incarnation alive at any rate, eh? I find myself feeling sorta crazy lucky that I have been born for all this. What a ride.

We might want to turn some attention to creating time vaults of different sorts to be dug up later by future archeologists. Might be fun.

Anonymous said...

From Belgium

All quiet on the Belgian front but what else would you expect.

rockpicker said...

Here's a url for the really significant 2012 movie.

Belgium; Is your adopted homeland still without representative government? And have you any news from Ukraine, Belarus, Hungary, etc.?

We are getting NO news from mainstream, as of 10 a.m. Nov. 4. Will try google news again soon.

I suspect a concerted clamp down on news, in order to control panic.
Henry Niman said Monday night he expects the gene sequence to be available by Friday, (Nov. 5), which coincides with HPH's predictions for something important occurring. As this hemorrhagic pneumonia spills out of borders and spreads, information control will be lost.

Of course, we may never get the true story about how it all started. Even Niman has not linked the Ukraine developments to Joseph Moshe's warnings, or suggested the organism may have an avian component. Rense said last night there have been over two hundred thousand hospitalized so far in western Ukraine, when just last week there were only two confirmed H1N1 cases in the whole country. Whatever it is, it's causing victims to literally drown in their own blood. Somewhere I read it's been vectored through the vaccines.

If Bergermeister's suggestion proves correct, that the shots are a way of effectively chipping the population, this notching-up of the threat should provide the incentive for much higher compliance.

Freeacre; I fell asleep too, but stumbled on the textual adendum after the show. Opened up a new perspective for me. I had seen the Geryl interview, and found it intriguing, but couldn't quite see the whole picture. High's explanation of the solar magnetic 'string' ball binding/explosion theory has a simple elegance which suggests he's on the right track.

rockpicker said...

Nothing on Ukraine on google news or cryptogon, but here are the latest stats from Henry Niman's

Audio: Sep24 Oct8 Oct15 Oct29 RSS Feed twitter News Now
Live feed of underlying pandemic map data here

Reported Cases in Ukraine Double in Two Days
Recombinomics Commentary 14:34
November 4, 2009
478,456 Influenza/ARI

24,003 Hospitalized

60 Ventilators

81 Deaths

rockpicker said...

secondhand report from med student who is in Lviv, Ukraine.

ecoparity wrote:
I'm in touch with a med student who is in Lviv and he's confirmed the situation is extremely bad there, the number of hemorrhagic cases has been astronomical (in his words).

Something that might prove useful - the use of the term SARS in the reports is a translational error apparently. Like the regional reports of "pneumonic plague" the descriptive terms in Russian and Ukrainian dialect were replaced with what turned out to be a very poor choice of words when translated to English. Quite a few people are taking both literally and believe Ukraine has a guarter million plague infected! :banghead:

We already covered the plague but I was curious about the reports of SARS in the case breakdowns. He didn't clarify what the intended term was just that our concept of SARS as the Asian disease is not what it means.

I have to say the media and WHO efforts in the West to downplay the severity of H1N1 has not helped the situation at all. There are claims that medical staff in Ukraine were not aware of the hemorrhagic symptoms possible in H1N1 victims (the first reports of this came from Mexico City) and the health minister keeps making statements in the press that Ukraine is dealing with a mutation of the virus. I've considered the political pressures he is no doubt under to excuse the complete lack of preparation but I don't think he could possibly know for sure if there is a mutation or not at this time.

People in the region have reported light airplanes spraying at night, (most likely an effort at the aeroclave pandemic response) but by not publicly announcing it the rumors of bio weapon use and other conspiracies surrounding the election have people stirred into near total panic. I've had several first hand reports of eyewitnesses to the spraying so I personally believe it, I just doubt its an effort to infect the populace.

A quarantine is being enforced in Lviv by police who are forcing people to remain indoors, the border is still open and flights are available, my med student friend is leaving later today, hopefully without a viral souvenir to take home.

Thanks for the boots on the ground reports.

As far as the translation is concerned, it is because of similar terms. SARS stands for Sudden Acute Respiratory Syndrome, while ARI stands for Acute Respiratory Illness. Thus, since both conditions use acute and respiratory, the terms get exchanged in translations.

SARS is caused by a novel cornonavirus (SARS-CoV), which is NOT what is in Ukraine. H1N1 causes ARI (as do other viruses, but in the case of Ukraine at this time, the vast majority of ARI cases are H1N1 (which is also true for the cases classified as influenza - 19,189 at last update).


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rockpicker said...

Go here for the latest WHO update on Ukraine, (3 November).

freeacre said...

Whatever it is, expect it to go global during/after the Olympics.

Anonymous said...

FA... highly likely there is truth to your take re... "... the sociopathic Big Boys pulling the strings as reptilian, ...incredibly unconnected to the vast majority of regular people as to be another species dressed up in a suit. Cold-blooded, ruthless, greed-driven, malicious, and monstrous, they have proven capable of entrapping their victims whole, wrapping them up in a web of deceit, and eating them alive, like spiders."

in fact, that these, or at least some of these, may be of reptilian origin should not be discounted as mere paranoia or the stuff of the tinfoil crowd. its a subject unto itself and some - icke, tsarion, sitchin as examples - have studied it to great length and publish their findings and conclusions.

rp.. speaking of tsarion... i got the impression from reading the raven weeps that clif has abandoned his study of symbology he'd undertaken under the wing of tsarion in favor of unsinkable boat building. foresite over hindsite?

re... "He didn't clarify what the intended term was just that our concept of SARS as the Asian disease is not what it means."

i got the impression from the wording in para 2 that the mistranslation applied to pneumonic plague as well but maybe i'm reading it wrong?

they've certainly taken the pneumonic plague translation seriously over on the bot forum. extensive thread populated by some pretty sharp folk on how to prevent it and how to deal with it if you do become infected in the survival and prep pages... p

rockpicker said...


Check out this article I bumped into about an hour and a half ago, (4:00pm, Wed., Nov. 4). Gotta read all of it.

Thanks for the tip. I'll check out the bots' page.

rockpicker said...

Here's a link to the Joseph Moshe story.

Hotspringswizard said...

Hello Belgium :-) I read what you said about your feeling that the aresols from the chemtrails were not likely the cause of the PH irregularities in the soils on my brothers property. I don't have an knowledge of the various chemistry of soils myself.

My brother has been in close contact with Rosalind Petersen ( lives in northern cal ) who worked with the USDA for many years and has a website on this subject which can be found at , and she has done extensive research on the affects ( she feels ) of the weather control experimentation fallout on crop soils and on the trees and vegetation specifically in the northwest. She would be one to refer to I think to gain some more indepth insight on what may be occuring regarding these chemtrails and their affect on soils. Her contact info is at the website.

Also my brother is close friends with a man named Mauro ( lives near my brother in northern cal ) who has the website:
and he and my brother have both been active trying to alert people to the problems presented by this weather experimentation and the problems associated with its residues.

I talked with my brother this morning and the agency personel which came up to his property to do the testing were from the USDA. Regarding your one question Belgium about any possible new industrial activity in the area where my brother lives, there is none. He lives in a fairly remote area which is heavily forested and lives on top of a mountain which is on a long high ridge. He has tested extremely high levels of Aluminum and Barium in a pond he built next to his house and it remains full from only rainwater. Water hyacinths used to grow in abundance in his pond but in the last couple of years they don't grow at all which he feels is caused by the contamination.

Freeacre my brother said he may have one of the very knowledgable people he knows on this subject contact you about a possible submission of an entry for your blog. You had inquired just recently about any suggestions for entries. If they do call you perhaps what they have to offer may be of interest to you for one of your blog submissions.

My perspective on all of this is that from the variety of information I've seen it seems pretty plausible that the weather expermentation in the form of plane trails and aresol spraying is a valid subject to consider, along with the negative repercussions for general health and the integrity of various biological systems.

Anonymous said...

RP... sent u wrong. see mysterious disease in ukraine. 13 pages long. on the main discussion page...p

murph said...


Even though government agencies do not acknowledge the spraying from the air, it has seemed obvious when people bother to notice.

We know a man that was an expert in contrails in the military. He says that some of these clouds are definitely not normal contrails.
lol wv fecked
Yes, I went to the Skywatch site, and read whatever I could find on the subject with searches.

So it appears the the question should be, what are the health risks to humans and the environment with this spraying, not whether there is spraying of chemicals into the atmosphere.

I also think that it is obvious through testing that the risks are there and large ones. Rather than bitch to the government which will do nothing to stop it as long as they get desired results, we need to find out how to mitigate it. It would really really piss me off to have our garden screwed up by that stuff.

RAS said...

I think it may be time to take a deep breath over the 2012 stuff. Even the Mayans don't think it means the end of the world. All the reading I've done suggests that it's the end of this *age* of the world, which, imho, would be a good thing.

If the poles reverse, we'll deal with it. Its happened before and it will happen again, and its never been the end of all life on earth. I'm more worried about massive plagues, greenland current stopping (not just slowing like it has been -that was what caused the cool summer and high tides), and Yellowstone.

Hotspringswizard said...

Murph and Freeacre, I spoke with my brother this mornng and he suggested that you guys could call a couple of people he knows of who are very knowledgable on the subject of the effect of chemtrail aerosols on the composition of soils and the negative affects for vegetation. My brother ( Dane ) felt these people would be more inclined to want to perhaps do a contribution to your site if they were contacted directly by you.

I will pass along this contact information for you to pursue if its of interest too you.

The first man is named Francis Mangles who is a 35 year USFS Biologist with multiple degrees and who is also as my brother put it a " reknowned gardner ". Being a gardner he could definitely offer you advice on the possible affects of chemtrails in your area of Bend, Oregon I would think. His phone number is 530-926-0311 so it looks like he is northern cal somewhere.

The second man is a 30 year Fish and Game biologist who's name is Alan Buckman who is also very knowledgable of the affects of Chemtrail aerosols on soils and vegetation. His number is 707-942-9348.

My brother also respects very much the efforts and knowledge of Rosalind Petersen in northern cal and as I mentioned before her contact info is at her website:

Maybe one of these people would be interested in making a contribution to your blog in the form of an essay on this subject as related to chemtrail impacts on soils, etc.

Anonymous said...

From Belgium

Rp Yes we have a representative government here. The same party won that was in last time. The old Prime Minister (we call them a voorzitter or chairman here) who crossed the executive / legal line is still around in the background; minister of sport or culture or some such post where he cannot do too much damage. The guy who won is a kind of chairman but not a real one; that is somebody else. The circus is once more in town and the show goes on. Compared to Belgian politics, Alice falling down the hole is completely Normal. I will make an effort to learn it good enough to explain and then maybe I will do a mini post on it.

On to more serious things, the manufactured flu has not hit here yet to any significant extent, if at all although there was an item on the news tonight about how safe the vaccine is for pregnant women. This assumes as a given that it is safe for everybody else. I suppose this goes to prove the adage of listening to what they don’t say. For the last two years Chris’s daughter and her husband have had an 8 – 9 year old girl from the Chernobyl region of southern Belarus to visit them for a month in the summer holiday and play with their own 7 year old. Last night the parents sent an e mail to ask about the flu situation here. It is quite severe there although borders are still open and so are the schools. I asked them to keep in touch and let me know how the situation develops.

Anonymous said...

From Belgium

Here is an updated version of how the MSM is dealing with the swine flu issue

rockpicker said...

Belgium; Thanks for the governmental update and clarification. A recent report I read said Belgium was being run by the health board.

Saw that video this a.m., as I get brasschecktv updates delivered in my email.

This developing story, whatever it turns out to be, in the Ukraine and neighboring countries, should prove to the world, by the way it's NOT BEEN REPORTED, that there is indeed a mass conspiracy among the west's media outlets, and that EVERYTHING passed by the 'legitimate' news agencies is suspect. The lack of coverage is becoming THE NEWS. There are many interesting elements to this story unfolding now in real time, not the least of which is that bloggers and e-mailers in the effected regions are being arrested for reporting what they're seeing.

Nov. 5 today. Hold on to your beer bottle, Randy!

Anonymous said...

From Belgium

Ah rp, some clarification is necessary here. The government is running all the usual things in the normal fashion except for health. That department is being run by a committee headed by the king. And now for the caucus race.

Hotspringswizard said...

There have been a number of entries at the website: of late discussing the Ukraine flu situation.

rockpicker said...

video of doctor from Finland discussing vaccines, filmed in Aug.

Anybody got any news about Ukraine?

Can anybody out there read and translate Russian? Here's a website for a news source purportedly claiming pnumonic plague has been confirmed in Ukraine. Can anyone read this and report back?

rockpicker said...

sorry about that last link. it was a mistake. here is a link to the fraza website.

rockpicker said...

We are now into day eight of the Ukranian event, with almost no news concerning the real-time situation there. This a news story in itself!

Here's what wiki has to say about pnuemonic plague.

"Pneumonic plague
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A scanning electron micrograph depicting a mass of Yersinia pestis bacteria

Pneumonic plague is one of three main forms of plague, all of which are caused by the bacterium Yersinia pestis. It is more virulent and rarer than bubonic plague. The difference between the versions of plague is simply the location of the infection. Pneumonic plague is an infection in the lung(s), bubonic plague is an infection of the buboes or lymph nodes, while septicemic plague is an infection in the blood stream.

Typically, pneumonic form is due to a secondary spread from advanced infection of an initial bubonic form. Primary pneumonic plague results from inhalation of fine infective droplets and can be transmitted from human to human without involvement of fleas or animals. Untreated pneumonic plague has a very high fatality rate."

Let's hope this is not what's spreading in Ukraine.

rockpicker said...

Can anyone read this?

This is official, Nov. 6, from Ukraine. Beats me what it says.

rockpicker said...

The latest news I've found, from Bergermeister's site, the flu case.

"A note on the website of the French embassy in the Ukraine appears to support reports from doctors in the region that people there have died from the pneumonic plague.

The confirmation that people have contracted "acute respiratory infections" will fuel fears that pneumonic plague bacteria have been released to infect people and so give the appearance of a deadly swine flu pandemic as some observers have claimed.

The deadly swine flu pandemic is then being used, in turn, to justify martial law by the Ukrainian authorities.

The French embassy website states:

"According to the information available, the epidemic combines the regular flu, the

virus of influenza (the virus H1/N1 having been identified) and an acute

respiratory infections..... whose exact nature has not yet been established, and which would be responsible for the majority of deaths."

rockpicker said...

I don't often quote the Alex Jones website, if ever, but I just got this from George Ure's page.

Anonymous said...

Here in the breakroom in the capitol of "Glenbeckistan," they're all paniced about the shooting at Fort Hood and how the Muslim hoard is coming to kill us all.

Geez, I wish I could leave here. Hang-out in Belize with Joe, maybe.


freeacre said...

Ha- that guy's family has been in the U.S. for three generations - as long as my family has. He was a shrink, though, and all his "mental health" training was with the military... hummm. Wonder if he was one of those men who stare at goats. Manchurian Candidate Fall Guy? Just wonderin'... Sure gives us something else to hate instead of focusing on Goldman Sachs..good timing for them once again.

Anonymous said...

Manchurian Candidate Fall Guy?

ya.... no chit!! VA TECH trained too.

FWIW... clif and george on rense exactly one year ago...

Newer release language suggests something about an incident where around 40 people will be shot on American soil.


Anonymous said...

gotta run. quick in and out. just saw this on rense.


Anonymous said...

From Belgium

I sure hope that you guys have got plenty of time because this is well worth getting into. It is a 7 hour interview with Kay Griggs, the wife of Colonel George Griggs. It tells you almost everything there is to know about the structure of US politics and the military and none of it is particularly nice. If she was military, the content would be called a debriefing, she really does tell all from an authoritative standpoint. Here is the preamble:

“Secret Societies & The Military - 1of13 As head of NATO's Psychological Operations, Colonel Griggs was a Marine Corps Chief of Staff. He was also, his wife realized, entirely mind-controlled. Kay, a self-declared Christian, became privy to the real workings of the United States military, leadership training, drug-running and weapons sales, and the secret worldwide camps that train professional assassins. These interviews with Pastor Rick Strawcutter of Adrian, Michigan were conducted in 1998, before September 11th and the installation of U.S. President George W. Bush. Kay Griggs' report of world events and the power elite paints a picture that begins to explain the hows and whys of our current global scenario.”

Quotes from Kay Griggs:

"They took with them the most perverted aspects of Nazi Germany and brought them over to the United States."

"They get rid of the good guys. The Marine Corps are the assassins for the Mob. The military is run by the Mob. The military IS the Mob."

"He told me what they did. They nurture--they cultivate--the sons of prominent families. They're called "rising stars." They rope them in. Then they "turn" them."

I have heard about three hours of it and it is pretty explosive – names are named all the way through.

You don’t have to sit looking at the screen for all that time, I just let it run and heard it on the loudspeakers – actually remote headphones - whilst I got on with my day.

freeacre said...

Good grief. I don't think I can take any more. I've hit the wall. Must go fishing or something....

RAS said...

The situation in Ukraine is hard to judge because it is extremely difficult to translate between Ukrainian and English. Pneumonic plague is a bacterial infection, and hemorraghic flu is a viral infection; the two could almost certainly not be found together because they travel by different pathways and have different routes of infection. Most likely, it is one or the other and we are seeing a lot of bad translations come out by people who don't know the difference.

Personally, I would say its the flu because pneumonic plague is much easier to contain and I think the WHO would already have announced it as such to calm the panic. Only time will tell.

I got attacked by a can of cat food yesterday, and a day later I still can't use my thumb -its swathed in bandages and butterfly closures. If both K and I weren't trained in first aid, I would have had to take a very embarrassing trip to the ER. If you're going to slice something open, you should at least have a good story to go with it! Good grief...

freeacre said...

Oh, Dear, ras. I once carved myself up opening a can of tuna fish, if that makes you feel any better
STILL trying to find a way to send your book to Archdruid. If anybody can find a current address for him (in Maryland), I'd sure like to know it.

Anonymous said...

From Belgium

My, do I know how you feel Freeacre. Gradually over the last few months I have been cutting down on the sites I go into on a regular basis. There are about four blogs I check every day and after that it depends. All the old stuff that even now I still regard as important is gone. Truthseeker; Rense; Palestine Chronacle; Fars News; Al Jazeera; ATOL and many more are all gone. I have been trying to come to terms with what it is. It is not burnout or boredom because sometimes I have day where I do all the old stuff and feel guilty for letting all these important things go by me. I think that somewhere along the line I decided to get on with my life and do enough to stay aware without overly dwelling on negativity. Sometimes I just check out some links that are put up on the sites I go into. As the general situation worsens I realise I should be reading more rather than less and accuse myself of falling into a trap that has been set for me. Ach, the tightrope of life!

Sorry to hrar about you ccident RAS, It is good to have caring people around you.

Anonymous said...

Belgium; For me, the site has gained significance, in that so many of the topics they deal with have increasing relevance. Also, their readership is now gaining popularity worldwide, especially kean in Europe, and their network of informational ties is increasing exponentially. While the net lasts, it's an effective pipeline for underground information. And it's been allowed to operate, for some reason.

Over here, there is almost no news of what's going on in the Ukraine. Henry Niman's site has been issuing reports, but some of his data is now being questioned. Here is the latest summary, according to project camelot. It is consistent with what I understand to be the case, though our info is so controlled and limited, we don't really have any clue. I am more aware than most, as I have been tracking this daily for over a week now. Not one person I talk to in my day-to-day is aware of a problem in Ukraine, or any of its neighbors.

I encourage everyone to go to PC and read the latest updates. There is an extremely serious situation developing and the failure of the western media to report it can only mean bad things for all of us. Open the links and view them. WHO and Baxter are not on our side in this.

--rockpicker, remotely

Anonymous said...

Here's the text of what is said at the PC site concerning the latest known news on Ukraine. You need to go there to activate the links.

"8 November 2009 - Updated (expanded report from yesterday)

Clarification on the Rhiza flu tracker count taken from a post on the forum: We encourage you to check the numbers yourself at this link:


Lviv Oblast
General number of ill people- 69176
Total for Influenza - 6694
Total for ARI (acute respiratory infection) - 62482

Please note:
1. Lviv oblast (Lviv region), but not in Lviv only.
2. Influenza - 6694, this stands for influenza in general not H1N1. Do you have numbers for H1N1?
3. ARI - 62482, not Influenza or specificaly N1H1

• Click here for a TV news report, several days old, from Russia Today reporting live on location with a developing story that no western news agencies are carrying: that a large number of people in the Ukraine are suddenly coming down with respiratory diseases, some very serious. What is stunning is listening to the reporter who plainly states exactly 1 death of H1N1, 12 infected and the rest of the 60 deaths are dying of other diseases!!

There is no apparent correlation, in the above broadcast [listen closely - the added statistical captions do not match what he is saying].

The Rhiza Labs FluTracker map states that over 900,000 Ukrainians have been diagnosed with H1N1. This is not accurate. See the numbers from the Ukraine Ministry of Health above...And, as mentioned by the Barcelona Nun M.D. Dr.Theresa Forcades --if, as in Britian they are doing a count based on call-ins--this is hardly a scientifically accurate way of determining infection.

Click here for President Victor Yushchenko's address to the Ukrainian people - and read how he is describing the situation. He is stating that there is a "viral" infection spreading -- he is not calling it H1N1. The suspicion here is that what is spreading is the attack of an aerosal based bioweapon that attacks repiratory systems...

This site (citing a 'Ukraine Plague') is discussing what many have wondered: that this may be the Pneumonic Plague (the Black Death of the Middle Ages) - a deadly development if true. But informed discussion on the Rhiza Labs forum (featuring Dr Henry L Niman and others, currently running to 89 pages) dismiss this on the grounds that the plague is caused by a bacterium - not a virus. However, the numbers found on the Rhiza Labs site are here for the rundown on the actual cases. Scroll down to the last post under the Forum title Misleading Information. Reprinted above.

Anonymous said...


According to the Russia Today broadcast, T___flu is being distributed widely. Project Camelot was told a couple of months ago by a well-informed insider contact that claimed remedies such as this (as well as the vaccine itself) would be infected with Bird Flu and were therefore in essence bioweapons.

Separately, we reported on 21 July that Elder Hale stated that he had been told by a senior biochemist in a world-class pharmaceutical company - name provided to us but withheld by request - that an aerosol precursor component had been sprayed (and would be by now in everyone's bodies) which would react with the vaccine when it was taken later:

" aerosoled precursor has been put into the air and almost everyone has breathed it into their lungs. The biochemist states that the vaccines to be administered in the Fall will be ACTIVATED when the constituents come in contact with the aerosoled precursor in the body and will cause a rapid spread of the H1N1 Influenza A virus. This biochemist is very upset about the matter, to say the least, and is a very reliable source that needs our utmost protection."

We regard this information as credible, and it was confirmed by Henry Deacon (Arthur Neumann) in his 1 August Amsterdam conference presentation. For the very interesting 12 minute audio extract from the 21 July Camelot radio show when Elder Hale calls into the program, and describes in full what he was told by the biochemist, click here. Note also that aerosol [chemtrail] spraying has indeed been reported in the Ukraine.

Another source has told Camelot that Ukraine is being singled out and targeted in order to bring Russia -- into the fold of the illuminati agenda as they have not been going along with the current roll-out.

So: something is happening here, and it may be smart for us to pay close attention. See the 2 November update below for the Joseph Moshe story... which may be essential to understand fully if we are to grasp what may be unfolding. Do also watch this YouTube report, in which Dr Bill Deagle describes to Kerry Cassidy the Joe Moshe story in full detail (referencing the Baxter lab in the Ukraine) - accompanied by the remarkable live TV footage of the incident. This is a MUST SEE summary.

We encourage all Camelot visitors to spend a little time on this: read, listen to or watch all the links above and understand the whole picture, which is clearly still developing. Do also post this full report, with links, far and wide.

--Bill & Kerry"

wv: nonsess

Anonymous said...

rockpicker, remotely? you dog you were suppose to take me for a ride when you dug up the saucer ship, gheesse what a buddy!!!

Anonymous said...

Everyone see this?

Fall of the Republic? freebee.

HQ Full length version

Anonymous said...


Sorry man, I don't know how to steer this thing


Anonymous said...

From Belgium

There is no steering wheel on this ship baby, it is all done by thought waves but I don't know where the ship ends up when you think about going to the little boys room.

Baz said...

Against the wind—lean into it, a catheter tube hangin' out the window ... WV: nonsavi — hahaha

Anonymous said...

From Belgium

Anon 3.01, I saw it and was quite impressed. The first section deals with the FED and then it goes on to the global economy and the global warming issue; it showed good ol Al Gore to be the charlatan he is and for once Alex Jones behaved himself. I think more people will listen to him when he moderates his style.

Anonymous said...

From Belgium

I forgot to say that I didn't know the public awareness of the FED structure was as high as they showed it to be. Its is not surprising when you see Bernake stone walling Congress the way he did.

Anonymous said...

I just watched a preview and read some reviews of "Collapse" and wish it was showing somewhere in Mormon HQ. I'd try to get my wife to go see it with me -in order to see if it can pull her head out of the sand. I imagine it will be on DVD in the middle of the winter, but I just wonder if that'll be too late.


Hotspringswizard said...

I just got a ticket online for a showing of Collapse this Saturday ( 11-14 ) in LA at the Laemmle Sunset 5 Theatre. I'm going to the 7:30PM showing and MCR is sceduled to speak and answer questions at the theatre after this showing. Like MCR, I too think that energy constraints will be creating soon the most immediate and severe impacts we will all be enduring initially in the months, years to come. Of course other dire developments like Climate Change issues, etc will be adding to the dire mix of negative repercussion.

I also just posted at my blog a new entry of a UK Gardian article that tells of a IEA whistle blower that has just come out and is declaring that the IEA oil reserve figures have been altered very much to the high side due to pressure from the US officials. The predictions is we will be experiencing oil supply problems even sooner because of the purposeful erroneous IEA oil reserve info.

And Freeacre, your comment, " Good grief. I don't think I can take any more. I've hit the wall....", it all can be very overwhelming, I know what you mean. I always allow myself time to go out on my " naturist walkabouts " in the pristine natural places around our area that I enjoy visiting. Gives me time for peace and quiet thought. Sometimes seems like this precarious future we are facing is some kind of bad dream we would like to wake up from but can't, all of these " converging catastrophes " of our time. Well it is what it is and we have to face it. You all take care :-)

Anonymous said...

of course coming from a society of mostly evil and also coming from parents that took no shit from anyone, one being a cherokee mother and a gypsy father of a tribally inclined mix of german and english and myself breaking more bible rules then i can count and spending time in jails in seven states and one foreign country and also drawing a four year sentence in a federal penitentiary for growing flowers, (ganga) is it any wonder that my attitude towards the system is as it is?
i have hated it for as long as i can remember, and it grew and grew and grew and now is in a perfect state of marvel that i have been protected by the spirit long enough to write these words on a machine that can send them around the world with the touch of a finger of lately jammed into a table saw blade.

viewed a picture of the sheep gods own savior today and thought to myself, my ain't he just a fine lookin lap dog to lay by cheney's fireplace, cause he is.
i knew from the first time i laid eyes on that mother fucker that he was an evil son of a bitch so help me and said so at the time.

one of the reasons i guess is that in all that time of dealing with the system for so many years and having associated with that particular brand of scum sucking bastards, ''ATTORNEYS'' coupled with an innate ability to tell when some one is a lying cocksucker , having been lied to since the horrendous first grade by practically every adult i ever encountered welllllllllllllllll.?

So, is everyone on the trail today? i hope all you sisters and brothers are taking the change bravely, it ain't gonna be easy, hell it ain't easy now is it? and its gonna get a hell of a lot worse i can see that with no eyes.

all i can say at this point is bring it on mother fuckers, you might kill us but you will not find it easy. causeeeeee there are a lot more of us that can love each other then you bitches that know only fear and malice towards your brothers and sisters.

we will persevere cause ya can't kill spirit, and we are spirit, we are the children of the universe and time travelers and i personally am the village idiot to boot.
so fuck off OBAMA and the corporate dicks you suck.


freeacre said...

... Yeah, the stress level is up around now. We don't have "Collapse" or "2012" here yet, but the Murph and I are going to see "Men Who Star at Goats" this afternoon. We'll take some colloidal silver to ward off the public place germs, and enjoy the show. Regarding 2012, if Clif High is right, the coronal ejections from the sun could be more devastating than Planet X. Who the hell knows? Pie and popcorn ... more pie and popcorn.
Hot Springs Wizard, please report back on what it was like to view Collapse with Ruppert there. Sounds awesome.

Anonymous said...

From Belgium

mf, that is exactly what Che said, minus the Obama bit of course, just before they shot him in Bolivia.

Anonymous said...

man i loved che

Anonymous said...

hey guys, i'd like to thank all of you for allowing my most scandalous approach at reality, but don't it seem good sometimes to just scrape the lipstick off the hog?



freeacre said...

Oh, man, you guys (especially Montana)gotta see "Men Who Stare at Goats." Reminds me of when "Mash" came out during the war in Vietnam. I'm going to write a post about it. . .

Hotspringswizard said...

Carolyn Baker has what I think is an excellent review of Mike's Collapse Documentary at her site: